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But then also had Jason Sands in there.

And this is where I ran into a problem because the people that brought James, Jason Sands, which are, I think, like, government suit type people like you were talking about, have brought him other stuff in the past that seemed more to pass the smell test.

But then you see with Jason Sands and you realize that they knew that Jason had severe PTSD among other issues in his profile that would make him questionable at best as a witness.

So that's how I kind of treat it all, whether it's the Jason Sands stuff or whatnot, I think.

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