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And we had the Air Force Technical Application Center, which is a whole other story.

Some of the NASA managers wanted to make spacesuits, and they did not want to involve the Air Force or the rescue forces.

Do you, you know, what I've found just anecdotally is when I meet people inside the government or who've worked at, you know, NASA or the Air Force, you expect them to be less conspiratorial than people on the outside in the civilian world, right?

it didn't have the U.S. Air Force on it or the Air Force insignia,

then the Air Force said, okay, we're going to give you a contract.

And then the Air Force paid them for it.

And it went into the Air Force inventory.

So at that point, the Air Force owned it.

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