um and then how did you get from doing this stuff to getting involved with parapsychology and the monroe
monroe institute and robert monroe well actually my career in physics and my career in in consciousness
my boss found out that bob monroe didn't live that far away and uh that was in charlottesville
ten of us we went out to meet bob monroe and bob monroe this was now 1971 72 early 70s
so i spent probably 15 to 20 hours a week with bob monroe
and uh dennis helped build equipment and uh if you go to the monroe institute and that was before there
was such a thing as the monroe institute that was monroe institute actually happened because of some of
i had a lot of experience for that time i'd been going out to monroe for some years yeah and strange