the cia uh was working overtime to make sure you didn't make it down here today
three flights canceled you ended up jumping on the pj coming down here
to finally meet you thank you you too man we're in the age of disclosure huh we are we are it's uh
that's the the age of disclosure the age where all this stuff comes out and uh the truth comes out in
story i would say so you know i'm 46 and my childhood's the 80s and early 90s and grew up
with movies like close encounters and et close encounters made the biggest impact on me i was
fire in the sky yeah you know we're making we're getting a lot of attention and i remember uh my
cousins and i watching watching fire in the sky uh uh late at night scared the crap out of us but
also made us super curious about this topic and so my my whole life uh just been interested in the
topic um these big questions like are we alone in the universe does the u.s government know more about
this topic than the average person that's kind of the common thesis and all that pop culture i grew
up with right close encounters et x files the one common idea is that two common ideas are yes there's
life from elsewhere um but elements of the u.s government have been covering it up um so i've
always wondered if that was true you know and watched every movie and tv show read every book over the
documentary about this topic and only and like basically set the bar at only interviewing
people who have direct knowledge of it as a result of working for the government if if elements of the
government do in fact know more than the public the idea would be to find that out right and no one
i was very fortunate over the last 20 years building movies uh and tv shows as a producer from the ground
up like big commercial stuff um the biggest that people know would be ready player one yeah which
spielberg directed um and then uh it was uh yeah it was on the set of uh ready player one
watching steven spielberg direct and in my opinion is the greatest filmmaker that's ever lived and
watching him direct was just unbelievably inspiring and i started i started thinking then in the back
real the situation around this topic was and so i got connected to some senior intelligence officials
um in that that had worked on this topic for the u.s government and um started having just private
private conversations meals with those guys trying to understand the lay of the land and i quickly
realized uh how real the situation actually is and and these ideas that were put in our heads when we
were kids with movies like close encounters and et weren't far off from the truth they're they're
there has in fact been a massive cover-up of non-human intelligent life and the government does take
it very serious and does know a lot more than the public does so in those those conversations um
i'm gonna make the definitive documentary on this topic that i always wish existed and this will be
that thing that i direct to and so um it's sort of like the the origin and then um
colleagues that i wanted to i wanted to make a film that would bring the truth out about what is
right i wanted to make the doc that gave them a platform to to share what they lawfully could
um and really kind of open the public's eyes to what's really been going on and uh as i started
passed up to uh senior members of the senate intelligence committee uh the staff the members
um same thing with the senate armed services committee and what i didn't know then that i know now
is in that same moment um senior leadership on the senate intelligence committee and the senate
actively gatekeeping this information and keeping it from the public they knew it was being kept from
the congress the white house um and the public and um they were trying to figure out a way to get the
base facts out into the public none of those politicians as elected leaders wanted to be the one guy
out on a limb going on fox news or cnn saying these extraordinary things and being subject to the pushback
they didn't really have a way to tell the world this complicated situation right and so i was sort of in the
right place at the right place at the right time and that while they were having that thought
while i was putting together the documentary my film essentially became the plan for disclosure
for those who had the knowledge so this this group of military government intelligence officials
that had learned the truth about the cover-up decided my film would be the vehicle for disclosing that
information and i spent about three and a half years putting this together um both uh learning the lay of the land
myself and and really understanding what's real and what's not real and you know as they say uh the
saying uh you know who's who in the zoo you know like all the all the different players and all this and
um and then making it um doing interviews uh over the course of three years uh yeah in the beginning when
you said you were meeting with some intelligence officials that were sort of like guiding you in the right
publicly how many of them that those original intelligence people you were talking about were in the movie
you know jay was was he one of the first people you talked to yeah yeah so jay was um in the process
of retiring from government when i met him um at the at the time he was the director of the u.s
government's uap task force the largest whole government investigation of uap and non-human
intelligent life right um his story is pretty amazing he's really the central figure in uh the
uh an intelligence official named dr james lakatsky goes by jim they co-founded uh osap the investigation
um after that um he was tasked by uh leadership and naval intelligence and um and at the dod to put
together the largest whole of government investigation that's ever existed and that's the uap task force
uh a member of the uap task force um yeah he was that was a big deal when he came out yeah yeah so
he was one of the people on jay's team um was he in the film yeah he was in the film was there's some
there's some there's some footage of him in the film yeah his his uh here no wait he didn't do any
interviews yeah we didn't do a direct interview but but i had um i already knew i had him in the film
through his congressional hearings where he was right saying that the most important stuff so um and i i
liked having the uh the hearing footage in there i think it makes people there's a lot of people
of people who watch the movie and and they they say to me they're like i had no idea those hearings
you know putting food on the table for the kids and all those other priorities and you know maybe they
register for everybody so so jay was there from the jump and he was sort of leading you around
kind of like holding your hand showing you the lay of the land where to go what what tree what
branches to shake to yeah him and him and him and him and some other people yeah in the film there was
there was about there was about four or five guys who were really guiding me in the early days and then
and then um once i got connected with the senate intelligence committee specifically
um i formed a really strong relationship with the the guys who run the senate intelligence committee
staff so most people don't know this actually it's really interesting so um the senate intelligence
committee the members the the senators on the committee they they can kind of come and go right
the senate at the time you know it impacts it and they might spend a senator might spend you know
a year on it two years on it three years on it but the staffers uh they can be there for many years
right three layers down their career long yeah they can you know like i can be working for the
the c be a senior staff member for a decade and and the way they handle the the staff work is they
i got introduced early on to the senate intel staff member who really owned the uap topic for the two
chairmen which were rubio and warner warner was the was the chairman and rubio was the vice chairman of
the senate intel committee and the staffer's job was to basically just shake all the trees every day
and all the different intelligence agencies in the military and learn everything and be hyper aware of
uncovering this this truth um and learning all the reality of it um so i formed i formed a
great relationship with the the senior that senior staffer and and his colleagues and they were really
really helpful once once rubio decided to participate in the film and other senior senators like senator rounds
from south dakota senator gillibrand from new york from the democratic party um once they leaned in then
the committee staff was essentially told to help make sure that this doc is the definitive doc and is
legit from start to finish and that i don't end up interviewing the wrong person who shares
bullshit you know um that i don't end up uh misunderstanding the lay of the land and presenting it
you know different than than it is and so they really helped keep me keep me on the right path
introduced me to a number of the people who did interviews in the film i feel like that would make
talk to and who not to talk to i'm automatically the wheels in my head are going whoa well it wasn't
telling me it was more or even like subtly suggesting yeah well a number of the very
like indisputably legitimate people in my film were introduced to me by the senate intel committee i mean
there's certain you know think about it like the people in my film are all they have the most credible
knowledge of this topic as a result of work for the government they all have been discouraged from
it would help encourage them to do it if you know they're hearing from folks on the senate intelligence
committee that hey you know people like rubio and gillibran and rounds have decided this is the best
way for the truth to come out and we encourage you to participate in this you know so yeah if you've
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slash danny jones what changed my perspective on this whole topic indefinitely was the that movie uh mirage
just the the whole industry that is there underneath the surface whose entire purpose is to throw people
off the scent of what's really going on like the fact that this guy was living in new mexico or nevada
seeing these objects flying around and getting obsessed with them the fact that they had like a
whole group of people from the nsa and from the air force whose job was to convince this guy that
were testing drove the guy crazy put installed nsa next door to him to beam into his house because he
like the 60s i think 70s maybe they knew that mufon had been penetrated by the soviets because the
air force bases and our war weapon technology all that kind of stuff during the cold war so they're like
and move on and that's going to get that's going to poison the well he's going to be a con a conduit
of disinfo for the soviet spies we're trying to get information on us the guy ended up going to
i i learned about all that as well and i originally had the same reaction as you but then
you know you got to realize the role that that storyline plays in a bigger picture right why is
it that elements of the intelligence committee not the intelligence committee of the intelligence
community um would make up a story like that to try to have it end up as you said received by the
russians as real right right because the answer is because there is in fact a high-stakes secret
cold war race playing out and there has been since the 40s regarding non-human technology
situation is real doesn't mean the bigger picture isn't you know there's actually i've been told
from my most senior relationships inside of military government and the intelligence community that a
couple and i'm not going to say who but a couple of the more the uh the whistle quote unquote not
they're not whistleblowers a couple of the people who have come out in in a big way in the public to
um have this it's the same backstory you know they they did they did experience that but it was staged for
them because um at the time there was a there was a in those in those situations there was either a
this public spectacle like like the paul thing um so look i think the reality of it is uh everyone i
interviewed despite their political and ideological differences all told me the same thing they all made
it super clear that the existence of non-human intelligent life has been getting covered up
since since the 40s there are these elements within the u.s government within various agencies within the
air force and the doe and some private contractors who have been gatekeeping this and covering it up
for years and keeping it from the public and you know the movie i'm proud to say uh has made a big
all this and then the people who had already realized it um are are are taking that new interest
that you know and um in the in the weeks since uh his two of his cabinet members pete exit the secretary
of war and tulsi gabbert the director of national intelligence have been basically going going through
the process of of trying to identify what evidence exists that can safely be declassified and shared with
the american public without becoming a threat to national security and what i've been told through my
relationships is that they are receiving a lot of pushback from the folks who have gatekept this
despite the fact that there's a presidential directive they're still getting blocked from
getting to this very real evidence that exists yeah the idea is that and correct me if i'm wrong but
what i got from the documentary was in the 40s after roswell all this stuff got sucked up into private
top level positions over the decades and now the new people that come in don't even get briefed on this
is being controlled by the private sector and even like top tier generals can't even get access to it
in the government so the government there's like the secret war between the u.s government and private
a lot of control over the situation right now but there's still elements of for example the cia and
the air force and the department of energy like career bureaucrats within those those organizations that are
very much involved with the defense contractors but you know in my film rubio breaks down how
you know the only option the government has the government doesn't have a room full of engineers
you know the dod um and so you know he explained how you know you you you give that technology to
a defense contractor and then and then as you said um over the years they keep working at it they stay
constant the government overseer you know retires or dies or you know changes and then the next guy
knows a little bit about the program but doesn't know everything and then the guy after that um doesn't
even know the program exists but the the defense contractors still chugging along and so you get
to this point where um the defense contractors hold a lot of the cards and um at the same time though
within the cia the air force and the department of energy that are very much involved in this and so
um everyone in my film that talked about this this this hidden program uh referred to as the
congressional oversight when it started in the 40s and so the tug of war really is elected officials
and they're appointed officials like the secretary of war and director of national intelligence
trying to wrestle this information out of these career bureaucrats and the defense contractors
and it's a complicated situation as the film shows it's not it's not a black and white situation
it's not like and the craziest part about all that is the united states is probably the only country that
that's happening in because all the other countries the government just controls everything there are
no private contractors yeah which also you know leads to one of the other really important takeaways
for me from my interviews and in the film which is you know rubio also expresses this really clearly
which is the the concern that if we don't take this more seriously as a nation and make the
to our adversaries because our adversaries don't need the public to decide it's important they can just
tell them it's important like she can just take the smartest scientists in china and say you're going
to work on this right you know they don't yeah who can do the same thing and so it's hard to simply put
uh you know the analogy i often heard was the space race analogy would we have won the space race if
kennedy didn't step to the microphone and give that big famous speech at rice university and say we're
going to get to the moon here's why it's important here's why it's important we win this race he he
articulated it in a way that the same kind of way you would articulate the importance of this topic
whether it's used for good or bad and that's why it was important that the he felt it was important that
the us lead in in this new frontier so we can make sure that it's used for the betterment of all mankind
and not to create another sea of war that was his whole like thesis right right and then the country
rallied behind him and scientific community rallied behind him and then you know we won the space race
so a number of the people i interviewed made the point of you know their their opinion is that we
need that sort of like level set with the american public and that sort of like you know mission made
the united states china and russia about disclosure like do you think there's any like super deep
interviewed um told me this isn't something we got into in the film but um multiple people told me that
that in the past there was information sharing between china and the us excuse me sorry russia and
the us not china russia and the us right and that that apparently broke down about 15 years ago
strategizing but many people told me about um information sharing um back in the day between
the us and russia and and they they always they always gave the same examples they they basically
both leaders of both nations that they needed to make the other aware so that no one misinterpreted a uap
right as an attack right and they were happening all over the place not just in the us they're
happening in russia yeah uk yeah all over the place yeah what do you think have you has anyone ever
that but i think about it all the time you know i i sometimes wonder you know is there like some deep
level of like you know the bankers that run the world or whatever that are that know about this
stuff the people that are above the presidents you know well look president trump just didn't he just
announced recently that he's he's gonna meet with she four times over the next 12 months something
yeah you know i but i just i'm skeptical that trump has any power to do that i'm skeptical that the
president any any politicians in the united states have that kind of power i think there's a i think
there's a a change happening here i think the current administration is really actively trying to
get their hands on the reins of the situation yeah whereas every other administration has been
kept so much out of the loop that they they didn't even have a shot at grabbing the reins
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people that you tried to get on the on your movie that were hesitant because of fear of any sort of
handful of officials who um because of their their their their roles at the time couldn't
couldn't participate uh couldn't go on camera because of their roles at the time because they
they because they were either you know senior in the military or in the government and and just
what they know um the one that always stays in my head is uh is a uh someone who's um part of the
if he participated in the film and i always thought the use of the word forfeiting was very specific and
forces guy yeah and and it almost the vibe i got when i first heard that was it was it was the kind
point also of telling everyone i talked to um it's just the truth i would say hey i don't want to know
classified don't tell me anything i as a you know just a member of the public shouldn't shouldn't know
of information that people have on this topic from their work for the us government that they can
you know and that stuff's fascinating enough um it also does beg the question though of like what's
on the other side of that line because what what's revealed in my film is shocking you know people
know non-human bodies being in these crashes and um talking about the extent of the cover-up uh it's
the other side of that line you know like if if this is what they can lawfully share what's the stuff
thinking of what the possibilities are yeah so after everything what is your high high level 30 000
multiple multiple forms of intelligent life from multiple origins and you know essentially the universe
is full of life and so extraterrestrials i think i think i think all things are on the table i think it
that sounds uh could be one of the other possibilities of origin um there's also the possibility of
there being other intelligent life that's been here all along and that earth has been the home to
from you know home for to the beginning since the future humans uh human time travelers i i i guess i
guess it's it'd be foolish at this point to take anything off the table you know yeah but um
you know one of the most interesting things to me about the the grays that you see in close
encounters and in all the media lore is that they're they're bipedal upright walking hominids
water world with no land what are the chances it's going to evolve to be so similar to us
i mean i'm not smart enough to know the answer but i'm sure it's not i mean i've talked to
underwater bases just he's casually walking down the street yeah they're underwater bases they're down
this issue the him and some of his colleagues in in on the house side of congress that are really on
about it uh how does he know that multiple leaders um in the navy in the u.s navy you know
at impossible speeds under the water past our submarines and um so much so that they tim gallaudet
tim's one of those people yeah um so much so that they they're they're making the logical conclusion
said was going like 500 miles per hour under the ocean or something insane it's crazy yeah it's
absolutely crazy i mean look the reason why jay stratton was the one who changed um using but you
know he's the reason we no longer use the word ufo right because that's son of a
phenomena became the the the catch-all yeah for ufo better though yeah ufo is catchy but here's the
take it serious right and and and and sort of uh changing the optics helped help the conversation
yeah uap is like the suit and tie version of it yeah the suit and tie version yeah that's another wild
thing that came out of my interviews um a number of the officials including a senior cia official uh
jim semivan um talked about how the program that that has gate kept this the legacy program that is
gate kept this since the 40s they created the stigma around this topic in the late 40s early 50s
want to look into it no real journalists will want to go look into it if the media is not paying
attention to it then the public's not paying attention it's kind of it's kind of genius but
but the problem is it got compounded over the years by you know multiple generations and then it got to
the point where you know the average person just thought it was a you know it's like talking about big
foot you know it's ridiculous and um and the average scientist didn't think it was real and so the
of the stigma so big a big mission for people in my film when when i talk to them you know off camera
about why why what was driving them to want to participate in the film one of the big reasons
simply understand that it's a real situation that it's a valid area of inquiry and um yeah this the
stigma you know and the stigma led to you know jay stratton talks in the film about how uh when you try to
raise you know this issue up the flagpole within the government right um he was constantly faced
with the stigma and then the people who've been covering this up have weaponized the stigma you
know if uh for so many stories of high level navy fighter pilots who see something in the air that's
indisputably not from here and before they can make an official report somebody from the legacy program
hey where are we going to send the tinfoil hats you know like how right you know what's going to be
jacobson's book area 51 where she explains how uh when the cia first started test flying their first
jet propelled airplanes in i forget what year it was super early uh they would send the cia test
pilots up with gorilla masks in the cockpits so in the case they got into visual distance with a
commercial aircraft they'd wear their gorilla mask wow so if someone they tried to go to the bar later
like throwing a curveball into the story that's crazy yeah dude that's wild yeah so imagine man
imagine if that was that was probably what the 40s they were doing doing that 60s imagine what they're
so you talk in the movie you hear about the legacy program you hear other people talk about the legacy
program on the internet it sounds like this big model how people talk about the cia oh yeah how the cia
is this big monolith so it's not that in that um i learned pretty quickly you know leadership of the
cia doesn't necessarily know about this you know the director of the cia it's a political political
point they're there for they could be there for four years you know eight years whatever the cia is
thousands and thousands of employees yeah and so someone reveals in my film that it's the head of
science and technology at the cia that controls this topic it's one person who could be there for a long
time and there's there's career bureaucrats at um within the air force and within the department of
energy uh that really run the legacy program's interest in this that's my understanding of the
situation from all my interviews uh it's not but my what i'm saying is like is the legacy program
so it's all kinds of things multiple companies all working together is the best all working together
yeah not competing no so from from you know what i what what the big takeaway was from all my interviews
is that the cia acts as the quarterback of all this the cia acts as the operational command
so sits at the top of the the org chart and then the air force is used for operations so they have the
airplanes and they have the warehouses the the hangars they can they can do the retrievals right and then
the defense contractors are used for reverse engineering they are only given um you know certain
technology and tasked with certain you know reverse engineering work and then the department of energy
um is apparently a key player in the situation because they have the best experts on um technology
own own the space of anything related to nuclear technology and a lot of the uap activity is at sites
involved in the nuclear process ranging from nuclear weapons sites to uranium mines to you know processing
secret uh that they get to you know use the classification system that was designed for anything nuclear
right so the classification system that they go by is like outside of the intelligence community's
no one from any of the defense contractors would would uh would participate did you talk sorry i did i
talked to a couple people that used to work for some of the key players on the defense contracting
side they would not go on camera but they helped inform me of the the lay of the land gave me give me
my cell phone at home and yeah really yeah no way with the defense contractors yeah yeah no way of uh
cell phones can be tracked did you talk to any of the cia science and technology folks no did you try to
i didn't because um a number of the people in my film made it clear to me that uh those folks you know
know slam the door on even them when they were inside of government you know so um
you know jay jay stratton when he was running the uap task force uh he figured out who the key
gatekeeper was at the cia and um he went to go to talk to him literally knocked on his door and uh
literally had the door slammed in his face wow yeah and another crazy thing is a lot of these people
the private sector like one of the most recent directors of science and technology for like
seven or ten years now works at the mitre corporation so there's this adult revolving door
with the cia and these giant private contractors yeah yeah and they know the contractors know that
corruption you know it's a flawed system so and then the other question is how do these where are
they getting all the money to do this stuff well you know as as dave grush testified to congress about
and as a number of the officials in my film say um there's been a misappropriation of funds you know
been told that there's a lot of um uh off book funding from the public sector uh wealthy just wealthy
people who uh are providing funding for certain uh technology uh reverse engineering work the hopes that
they'll get some they'll they'll get the benefit down the line from some techno technological breakthrough
that's been gleamed you know um it's a lot of money out there in the world you know um
and look the thing you know people will take one of the things people take away from the movie
um some of these people you know likely if you you know if you if you put a gun to the head of people
with in the cia that have touched this over the years likely they would honestly say that they think
they're doing the right thing you know that they think yeah sure we are in a uh we are in a technology
race with adversaries and so um the best course of action ultimately is to not share with the public
um but i do think the same time that we've gotten to a place where we would benefit from the basic facts
being known i do not think that a president or any leader of our country should step to the microphone
we're in a race with adversaries but i think the base facts that we're not alone in the universe
that the us government has in fact retrieved technology of non-human origin that adversaries
what i think it will do is i think it will motivate the scientific community and private industry and
breakthroughs that we wouldn't otherwise get to yeah and then you have the whole conflict with like
the energy like if we can cut if we have this ability to have free clean energy around the world and
it's been it's been covered up and hidden for this long this is going to disrupt the whole petroleum
industry which is like you know the whole world is propped up on oil right so we've been hiding free
energy but the energy source thing goes back to my point where i think some of these some of these
people involved in gatekeeping this yeah that it's the it's the race we're in with adversaries that
they worry about so if you look at the the technology it these crafts are it's revealed in my film how
they're warping space time in a localized area they're creating um with the scientists in my film
uh described as a bubble around the craft and that separates the craft from the environment around
film he did he did describes yeah it allowed it allows the craft to operate in a way that looks like
physics as we understand it yeah it's just in its own space time yeah um but the reason i just went
down the road is the the point is yes that could if we figure that out if it becomes known to mankind
this technology exists and that it has been cracked yes it could as you said solve the energy crisis in
theory it could revolutionize the way we live but the people who have been you know gatekeeping this
destruction in the blink of an eye and that's a terrifying thought and so see how it's it's not black it's not a black
or white situation yes it could solve the energy crisis but you know a bad actor in his garage could
know again the people who have been involved in this would say that's the only reason you need to just
some of the people that are on the boards of these private industry companies also like own a huge stake in
going to keep a secret for as long as i can and hold the gun to the head of every government around
the world knowing that if i wanted to i could like it seems like this stuff there's a lot of weaponized
it could be more powerful than every military around the world and every government combined
to be a nation state to have the means to build nuclear weapons if the if this technology and the
you could yeah or do you want this ending up in the hands of like terrorists like you know imagine
close encounters and et and interest in this would like to know the truth and and and learn about it all
have um i mean just look at the boeing shit with the boeing whistleblowers with the whole boeing lawsuit
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and all sorts of other things yeah and you know we've had a lot of conversations like the one we're
having now about you know the pros and cons of disclosure and why it's such a complicated situation
he ultimately comes out thinking that we need to make it a humanitarian issue in the same way that
to just come together on on a plan for how to use this for good and to safeguard the public from
would be stopped so by who the government it's illegal to build nuclear weapons yeah but you think
they could think the government could really stop them if four-star generals can't get access to the
his outlook is that um because this technology could be so revolutionary to the way we live and because um
the truth about all this could could could in in theory unite humanity it could make it could make
because there's potential for all this positive outcome he thinks that the best thing is to do
a level set with the public and make this a humanitarian issue where we figure out as a whole
how to deal with it um now look that might just not be in the cards that might not be possible the dynamics
might not the dynamics between us and our adversaries might not allow for that but it's um it's certainly
um in my opinion the most interesting time to be alive because some some some amount of the truth
know um and also why haven't we seen do they plan on using any of this stuff on the battlefield
in the intelligence community that's in my film um told me that um
um when when he formed a confidential relationship with someone in the leadership of the legacy program
he asked them straight up um would we break this technology out uh on the battlefield to you know
win a war or prevent a war and uh the answer quickly was no that we would not we would not show this card
uh unless it was to prevent nuclear destruction like the last like a like a last last
the last thing the last card that we played basically um and the idea being that the reason being once
you're you're opening this giant can of worms and you're telling the public we got this and
idea of how they could weaponize it uh yeah i mean if you you know as described in the film you know you
uh you know a weapon of mass destruction anything so like the way you the way you could use it is i
if you can travel great distances in the blink of an eye then
topic like where where would you come out and when you when you start talking about the ways that this
technology can be used you know for bad but then you know solve the energy crisis sounds awesome right
ultimately there's probably so many layers above this and above the so many layers above not only the
politicians and the cia but above that you have like this this decentralized mafia layer and banking
and control everything that happens and that just like work behind the curtain and um it's hard to
be optimistic that like humanity can rise up and overthrow that you know especially with the like all this
epstein stuff that's come out that like basically shows how these people work behind the scenes and that
at least now the ufo topic in general i don't think it's stigmatized anymore it's completely out of the bag
that's a completely normal thing for everyone to talk about right yeah i actually think that's the
thing i'm most proud of uh with my film with the edge of disclosure is i really think it puts the nail
in the coffin for the stigma we all know everybody knows ufos are real you can't watch that film and
and not be like okay this is a hundred percent yeah a hundred percent so what's the next level
of that you know like where where does that move to next the the thing is when there is this gap in
in the intelligence and military communities that all have different views on this stuff like there's
people that are in the military and in intelligence and in higher levels of government who think that
don't give when the when the people in charge don't give a definitive analysis yeah they just sort
of like here's this crazy do with it what you will that's why i really do think we need the equivalent
have our adversaries and our allies and there is this race and we need to win this race for the following
guessing game of what it is and just make it a real thing for people um the reason i think this the
the space race analogy is so great too is like think about it like there's probably a lot of people
at that time you know throughout the country that the idea like if you were to go up to them prior to
kennedy's speech and say you know the moon the thing up in the sky there we're gonna go there
they would laugh at you and be like that sounds crazy you know like in the context of that time
it probably sounds crazy right right but then a president you know and other leaders in the country
it so i think like that that's sort of a level set with the american public is i think what we're gonna
possibilities um the you know interdimensional extraterrestrial um ultra terrestrial uh yeah
long time ago broke off the human family tree um you know there's so much of our our planet that we
haven't explored probably you know yeah we've explored more of the surface of mars than we have
under under the ice in arcan we'd have no idea we're we're in a little bubble you know i mean it
their technology because it could destroy the world right you're like hmm all right very familiar story
yeah um so you know look there's a lot of possibilities the the only thing that's certain
is that um you know a number of people my film know as a fact from their from their work with the
and um you know the other thing is you know they say people say it in my film but uh
there there is indisputable video evidence that exists it's just classified so you know the best we
um but the best we can get now is people who have great reputations putting their credibility on the
the best we can get now yeah until they can leave until that information can legally be those videos
and photos can legally be shared well the best you can get is someone credible putting their rep on the
things have the certainly have the ability to uh make themselves visible or not at will you know i think
one of the interesting things uh you and rogan were talking about on his podcast which was a great analogy i
thought um how taking a photo of fish under the water the water basically like warps and occludes and
blurs out the fish you can barely see it because there's this layer yeah right of elements between
you and the fish yes and like the same thing with these ufos like if they're creating some sort of a
like essentially cloakable yeah so people always say you know the the average person always says well if
got a 4k camera in their pocket yeah everyone has a 4k camera in their pocket but it's the same reason
why everyone with a 4k camera in their pocket can't get clear video of fish under the ocean from above
the ocean it's not possible you know right if you're if you if if you know the koi pond uh analogy if you
if you stand above a koi pond and you see the fish down there with your your naked eye and you take out your
through a barrier you know a different medium there's the the top of the water you know you're
above the water they're they're below the water line exactly and and so it's the same thing here if
you try video filming these things um from outside the bubble that they've created the bubble around
you're never going to get anything more than the kind of footage we get now right um but at the same
when the bubble is turned off where you can see clear as day the craft and that's the stuff that
people my film have seen and go on the record saying exists um it's very clear cut uh indisputable i've
heard from folks that i've had on this podcast who are like the most tapped in dorkiest ufo dorks
ever okay who really study this stuff uh that out of all the agencies
mm-hmm that look at the ufo topic the one that knows the most about everything is the navy and the
under there's there's this pro um this agency called the i think it's the u in r or nro something it's
like the underwater nro like the national reconnaissance office of the ocean and like
if we see so many of these things coming out of the oceans all the time and we have i mean
historical evidence back into like the beginning of written history of these things coming out of
the ocean like what have these nuclear submarine pilots seen or like detected on their radars i
the navy knows a lot for sure um you know jay stratton who ran the uap task force and who co-created
when they say that despite the navy having learned a lot they are still um boxed out by the legacy program
much more under the water look i was just to guess yeah i would guess there'd be so much more because
they're catching on sonar they're grabbing that data for right the the the the um
somewhere in like the north atlantic or whatever of like an incoming something really fast like the
duck inside this metal tube in the middle of the ocean yeah i mean think back to you know for rough
like sardine can at the bottom right it's terrifying right right terrifying it makes me it makes me you
know whenever we talk about the under the water activity it makes me think that maybe maybe james
cameron was ahead of his time and yeah you know on to something um yeah the water stuff spooky
abyss the abyss makes you rethink this you know um it is spooky the the people i've spoken to who
mean i've you know for example that um in my film one of the one of the interview subjects
was a air force security guard at vanderburg air force base on the california coast i live in
goes on the record on camera for the first time saying that he personally witnessed he was standing
can't remember off the top of my head it was either three or six but they saw a light approaching from
the pacific ocean going towards the base at first they thought it was an airplane like heading towards
the base which also concerned them but that's what they thought it was at first and then as it got
closer like the size just completely changed and all of a sudden they saw a and the light went away and all of
a sudden they saw a matte black giant object the size of a football field they scrapped as like to
the left and to the right of their their jesus their eye line and he said that it slowed almost to a stop
when it came above the base and then it kind of hovered above them for for i can't remember whether
you know visible means of propulsion it was just there this giant um rectangular object the size of
a football field uh and then he said it took up took off thousands of miles an hour up the coast and um
you know there was also the guy bob jacobs who bob jacobs is in the film he talked about they were
interviewed in the film as well he was a he was a cameraman for the air force his job was to film
and how did they use nukes to try to like bait the ufos in yeah so that's one of the really fascinating
covering this up in the legacy program and in other you know areas like the navy uh they they they
the same time i think um my understanding is that adversarial nations have done this and do this so that
of my relationships in the government right now that um some of the intelligence officials
directive some of them learned that various agencies and branches of the military had been
luring these things in in the past and that they had figured out how to do that and these intelligence
saw with their own eyes uap um i was told this in confidence uh by a couple people within the last
podcast i think last week a few days ago um that he had heard the same thing
uh so so it was some of the intelligence officials
tasked by a member of the current cabinet to uncover evidence that can be declassified trump gives a
burleson saying it on a podcast recently yeah within the last couple weeks wow and then it was three or four
how they actually how they actually did it and the people people i've talked to i'm sure you know such as
drape such as drape j stratt yeah um have told me that in the past nuclear footprints were used so
about his journey down this rabbit hole uh over the investigating uap and non-human intelligent life for
for 16 years and he goes into a lot of detail on this stuff and the learnings that you know he and
mention or anyone ever mentioned any of the psionic stuff no no i've read i've seen i've you know like
me about that never heard anything about that what have you found to be the most interesting about it
uh there was a guy michael herrera who was one of the whistleblowers who came out i forget how long
ago it was i want to say the 90s maybe i could be wrong could be in the 2000s um who said that he was
working in the military somewhere in the remote jungles of indonesia or something yeah i remember
indoctrinated into western society into the technological world that we live in here people
consciously control the ufos wow sounds crazy there was a guy that jesse michaels had in his podcast who
there as like counter intel to like find out who was spilling the secrets and then when he heard michael
was doing that i was one of the guys that he saw and then i guess his story was like that like
made him want to tell his story and like switch teams um but and then that's like the whole
that particular event in the jungle other than what you know i've read on my once michael started sharing
that but um i have heard about um i have heard that there are people who have the ability to
communicate um using the power of their mind and i i i know that probably is like the most wacky
of um there's a bunch of really uh grounded not a bunch that's the stupidest way to say it there's
out of the uap topic for a second so stargate it's a real program that really existed there is so much
evidence of it uh that's been declassified uh dr hal putoff who's in my film who's very involved in the
government funded the cia and darpa and the department of defense funded that for years
um saying that they the military actually acted on intelligence that the remote viewers gave
the craziest leap um to go from accepting that remote viewing is a real thing even though it's hard to
there are people who have told me that that is a thing that that there are people who have the
about a lot of stuff that i think to the average person just sounds completely bananas and extraordinary
it's always worth you know it's always worth saying like for me when you know when making the age of
and who actually had direct knowledge of the stuff as a result of working for the government because i
feel like my personal opinion and i'm sure a lot of your listeners feel the same short of indisputable
you know short of that level of in your face evidence the best we can really hope for is extremely
credible people putting their reputation on the line to share what they can that's really what it
comes down to like that is that's the best we can hope for short of that that dream scenario right
right um and so you know that that is that is sort of the bar i've always held like you know i i put
we alluded to this uh briefly earlier but how these people can i just now thought of this for the
um within the department of defense or or the cia and you retire you're collecting your pension as a
government worker um the way the the what a lot of them do after they retire from government work they
go in the work in the private sector they work for a big defense contractor or you know or they work for
uh you know a big uh pharmaceutical company uh and one of the requirements for those jobs after is that
whatever whatever classified projects those private companies are doing for elements of the government
right yes and if you if if if you piss off the wrong people or you start making things up and look crazy
you know when i interviewed rubio he was vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee
he got escalated to the second most powerful guy in the world our secretary of state interest
has been the national security advisor and the secretary of state at the same time was henry kissinger
um number of the people in my film are are actively working uh in the private sector using their their
clearances really yeah the number of them dozens of them actually and um you know none of them have been
you know laughed out of the rumor called crazy or had their reps ruined because they really stuck to
that james clapper the interview he did was him attempting to come clean with the american public
in the only way he could that's what i think i think he's a guy who's in his 80s he's been at the
highest levels of the intelligence community for decades he was the head of air force intelligence
he was um the director of national intelligence yeah he's been the head of multiple other intelligence
for those who haven't seen the film on camera james clapper confirms that uap activity over area 51
and he confirmed that despite the air force saying they have not had any investigation of uap
since the closure of project blue book he says when he was the head of air force intelligence
they did in fact have a program to actively investigate uap so he unveiled the air force's
actual role in all this their hidden role and he i think did a big service to the public and to
squashing the stigma by acknowledging that uap activity over area 51 is real because i think for
most people around the world the idea of uap and area 15 the mysteries around area 51 they've been
and i think here here here was a guy putting his credibility on the line late in life to say that
where he just he want he wanted to uh he wanted to sort of like uh give give that to the public and you
you know stuff there's the whole thing with lying to congress yeah there's this whole whole biden
security council members all were coming out of the shadows to speak up about what they could legally
why why would he participate and say the things he said have you played that out have you thought
would make it no no especially when you add in context that like i alone would have like the the
people watching my film wouldn't have his wife was in the hospital dying like in her in her final weeks
he had been sitting by her bedside every day he took a couple hours off to come straight from the
hospital to do this and then went back to the hospital like you know and he told me i actually
said when i when i when when i learned like a day before that that was the circumstances he was dealing
with personally i reached out and said hey you know if it's not the right time in life it's it's it's all
easier to go down the conspiratorial route of you know the people people making up stories if it was
like a few people but i interviewed 34 people on camera 30 34 senior members of the military government
in mind some of that stuff the history of these people you know because even if somebody is a
military general and at the top of the food chain of the american government or intelligence organization
doesn't always mean in fact almost never means they're going to tell you the truth
and um you know it is important to know that this guy literally lied to congress and said that the nsa
was not spying on american citizens two months before snowden leaf the nsa documents proving that they
were spying on american citizens yeah look i do think that you know if he had lied in the past
i'm gonna i'm gonna do the right thing this this time and i'm gonna share that this is a real situation
right if you study his body language in the doc that's that's the impression i get
he's getting up there in age man you know a lot of these people are look at his face in the film
when he i did i did after he says the area 51 line you could tell there was other people in the room
you know what what would be what would be the the narrative if all 34 people in this film
there were they're all saying the same thing and all sharing information they have personally learned
what would be what would be the alternative to the truth yeah i mean i would personally just be
narrative to the american public you know a specific narrative um you know who knows you know who knows
on since the 40s when they when roswell happened and they want to convince them they've learned what
is they want to throw people off the scent you know back to the whole paul bennewitt story but on a
you play that out and then where you land is elements of the u.s government cracked a new energy source
in the 40s and kept it secret and never used it to benefit our country right and um
make money you know if someone had cracked a new energy source in the 40s i think they would have used
it to become the most valuable company on the planet none of the defense contractors are even in the top
hundred most valuable companies in america much less the world really yeah yeah not northrop and
yeah it's not even on the same what about like palantir i mean all yeah these they're big don't get me
wrong they're big business yeah but they're not they're not the most valuable companies on earth
of the ais like compare the um just do the gdp of the top five or top ten united states uh military
what would be the other industry that could that could compete with that you think i mean
if you're just looking at market cap just just just just just ask just ask gpt if uh if any of the
major defense contractors um are in the top ten corporations yeah that's cap wise i don't think the
with that but so if look if someone cracked this kind of technology in the 40s my point is i think
they would have used it to make a fortune if they were a private company if they were the government
no i don't understand any upside to that technology being completely hidden since the 40s that doesn't
not in the top 10 most valuable companies globally by market capitalization as of 2016 while firms like
we've had since the 40s i call how many people do you think oh wait here's the other point yeah
of energy wouldn't we have won it use it to win world war ii right what about the tic tac stuff
a number of the people involved in first off jay stratton ran the investigation of the tic tac for
the government like he actually wrote the actual the actual official report on it he's the one who
actually went and investigated it and um completely came to the conclusion that it was not man-made like
tried to you know assign it to some you know hidden program of ours and hoped that would be the case
you know wanted to be able to explain it right and and couldn't and that's the guy who would have had
the job of knowing so prior to investigating uap and non-human intelligent line for the government
he was the head of air and space warfare for the defense intelligence agency his literal job was to
20 30 years out um in terms of air and space technology it was literally his job so like the
analogy for him you know we talked about hunt for october earlier the analogy is like remember hunt for
october alec baldwin is an analyst at the cia and his specialty is knowing everything about russia's
nuclear submarine program and and everything about the leadership of that program like he is that's his
about this one thing right so much so that in the movie uh when james earl jones the head of the cia
who do they go and ask you know they ask baldwin and he knows what it is he knows who the commander
mm-hmm people like that exist within the intelligence community that have these specific lanes that they
does and so they asked him you know please tell us this is one of ours he had been read in on all the black
same guy runs the investigation of the tic tac and there's just no way we didn't we didn't have that
technology right i believe i i think i'm i'm of the belief that it's multiple things going on i'm sure
the i saw the uh you know the conspiracy theory online somebody somebody claimed that that was
from sea level to 80 000 feet which is what the tic tac did that's when you get into space 80 000 feet
right if they had technology that could go from sea level to space in like the blink of an eye and then
do that all afternoon they they would be the most valuable company on the planet right now
20 years later yes it is impossible to accept the idea that they cracked that technology if they're
publicly public they're not even in the top 100 market cap in the united states much less the world
handful of defense contractors who were close to it too or doing the same stuff it doesn't even matter
you'd be you'd be sitting on the biggest technological breakthrough in the history of humanity
or nobody knows what you really have except for a very small group of people where's the value so in
this conspiracy theory the only way there would be any merit to it is if there was leadership in the
2004 and no one in the government knew it why would they keep it classified
government overseers that knew they had it if if there was no government overseers and they were the
wouldn't be classified they would monetize it they become the wealthiest company in the history of
the world overnight yeah i'm not sure about that though 100 dude i'm not sure that they would want
that was like how change it would change the way that modern physics is known and if it's been
getting siloed and kept secret since the 50s or the 40s first off lucky martin wasn't even around then
no you know right they bought up smaller companies over the years yeah companies a lot of the companies
that they bought were involved in the legacy program early on i've been told same with northrop grumman
yeah um but let me put it to you this way it's just not realistic if i'm if we're the american
government me and you run the american government and we do have this technology we do have this
that line of thought if that was the case then if that was the case and it led to in 2004
you know a private contractor on behalf of the government reverse engineer this technology and
create something like the tic tac right if that was the case then that means government overseers
and not be at least in the top 10 market cap by the way i own lockheed martin stock it'd be amazing
i i look i think they and you know you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know who the biggest
defense contractors are in the us right i think i think those are the companies that our military
relies on and our government relies on to try to uh build the most you know advanced beyond next
generation technology and i think that they have been involved and utilized in the legacy programs
that they made all this stuff from the beginning i just it just seems do you think they have any
technology that's secret that nobody in the public knows about yeah for sure for sure and i think they
this was all these giant craft that military people see that that fly past that right that the move
light size of football stadiums coming out of the water it's crazy that wasn't locked yeah yeah exactly
and but don't get me wrong i don't want to like confuse the listeners it's i do think that there are
and they're both making progress yeah i think um you know in the film until those officials refer
to it as the manhattan project on steroids i think that's real um hal putoff says on on camera he throws
he slides it into one of the interview pieces that i don't i don't know if enough people picked up on
this but he he he says you know some of the uap activity we see might actually be a result of our
there's a there's a lot of these like little nuggets that people might film or trying to share with the
exist but the tic tac was a long time ago man it was a couple couple decades ago and yeah i don't
i do not think that we we cracked that kind of technology back then one of the scientists in
the film eric davis um he says the exact uh number i'm not gonna i'm not gonna try to uh quote it because
i don't remember exactly what he said but he says he makes an analogy for the amount of energy that would
was like the entire energy output of the entire continental united states times 100 or something
the ability to harness that much energy to localize an area above the ocean 20 years ago you know well
there was a lot of anti-gravity research going on in the united states specifically around the
university of north carolina chapel hill in the 50s lots of physicists were like on the cusp and and
went dark like just completely stopped doing their research and all the research went underground yeah
projects in the 50s who knows what they could have figured out by now certainly some i'm sorry it's
you take like um you know all the missing money in the u.s government where rumsfeld said right before
9 11 is there was like what four trillion dollars that had gone missing off the books yeah i think at
something yeah 20 something trillion i do think that we might find out down the line that a lot
what grush was tracking right yeah and and look the other thing that's worth saying is you know we just
you know numerous people i interviewed alluded to their their their coming to the conclusion that
um consciousness and remote viewing yeah and um one of the more interesting stories i want to circle back
and um he ended up on a mission in the middle east and came back and he had an illness and long very
was somewhere else and at first he and his wife uh just simply thought he was losing his mind from the brain surgery
and uh that friend of his connected him with someone who used to work for the cia who knows a lot about
the former cia official said uh why don't you talk to your parents and ask them if anything happened
told his parents about it the mother reminds him starts jogging his memory that uh the day after this event
and the mom apparently said uh you know leave my kid alone he's his kid but the dad took him into
the backyard with these two air force guys and and they talked for a while and that was like the last
the mom had heard of it so she's like jogging scott's memory and then um after that it sent him down
um long story short he found a collection of files that his father had and it was broken down by the
was his medical records and his education records and then shockingly he found enlistment paperwork in the
schuster is the publisher and um i don't know when it's going to be complete or when it's going to come
of time with them and it is just the most bombshell singular story i've ever heard in my life and um
not only did he find enlistment paperwork uh in the u.s air force but he also found his discharge
paperwork and the service code on there when he looked it up was space communications intelligence
and the base he was assigned to was the old um space command base at that time yeah and then uh he
doesn't remember any of it the school when he contacted school the the school's records were missing
caused him to forget all this then the brain surgery brought all these memories back um and then just
to skip to sort of like the end of the story um when he started socializing this to some of his high
it's a it's a remarkable story and and and likely it'll it'll lead to uh us all learning about a a part of our past that's been hidden and and and these biological you know the the the uap encounter he had maybe
i guess there's two ways you could look at it maybe the encounter left him with this ability like it
um um those are kind of like you know the two the two thoughts right um but either way it seems that
that had uh encounters i mean clearly it was a cause and effect saw uap next day the air force guy to
show up to talk to him about right so um yeah the same thing happened in rendalsham right yeah yeah
after after the there was an event at rendalsham so rendal for those that don't know you know rent
rendalsham when people say rendalsham it's really referring to the rendalsham forest in the uk right
there was a there was a joint military uk base there in the 80s it was called um i think it was called raf
bentwaters steve is that correct that sounds right raf bentwaters i think that was the name of the base
it was a joint uk us base at the time in the 80s it had the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in europe
yeah yeah which one had the ufo incident
is your mic on or can we hear you talking on the mics or no
uh the events uh occur just outside of woodbridge okay ufo landings so
simply put there was a joint uk military base in this area of the english countryside and um at the
apparently multiple crafts came down from the sky one night and were hovering around the nuclear
weapon sites um like right above uh where nukes were hidden underground and a number of the base
security guards and the base commander went out and saw these things in the woods around the base and
negative biological effects um heart issues and some other medical issues uh as a result of the contact
and uh interestingly also similar to the scott story um the day after um a mysterious
uh unmarked plane landed on the base according to the base commander who i spoke to personally
um and people that identify themselves as being a part of air force office of special investigation and of the cia
the cia talked to the witnesses brought them into a private room spoke to them interrogated them asked
them a lot of questions um years later those witnesses told the base commander many years later told them
with people from air force office of special investigation osi it's called and people from the cia
so look the air force and the cia's role in this is is well well documented people have been talking about
it for years um but the the overlap with um consciousness remote viewing yeah and this is is a
really interesting intersection you know and if you and if you accept the fact that remote viewing is real
me there definitely seems to be a huge connection between this whole ufo phenomenon and the human mind
and the human psyche yeah it seems to be an integral part of a very important piece to this puzzle yeah you
know that with the combined with the fact that like most ufo sightings happen with children
of schools there's a lot oh the aerial all around the world the aerial school encounter you know about
this one yeah that's one of the most fascinating this is covered very well for those that don't
know it in the documentary the phenomenon which james fox directed i had the opportunity to be one of
the producers on it um by all means james gets all responsibility for making that movie that was his
baby that was phenomenon the aerial school one yeah the phenomenon covered it at the very end okay and
james did an amazing job of of covering that story in a little section at the end of the film
kids representing all all parts of the world and there was like one school day where there's
100 something kids out in the backyard playing they ranged in age i think it was like 6 to 12 or
something like that and they all came running back to the school screaming saying that there was a ufo
in the in the field that had landed and beings telepathically communicating and all these kids
told the teachers the same thing they all said they described this craft landing they described it
being distorted around it like a blur they described these beans being near the craft and how they
with them um the message that these kids all got was that one there's a clip of there's a actual
they told us we mustn't get too technoledged was the word she used right and and and and that if we did
like the the world could burn and there'd be all this destruction yeah right so an adult watching that
you you take away the conclusion they're saying you know you know be careful about how we're progressing
technologically and then it could lead to destruction right it was like a warning right and um that was the main
takeaway from the communication these kids claim to all not all but many of them experience um all the kids
described the same event though and then now looking through the lens of you know what people reveal
in my film in the age of disclosure about how the technology works if a craft came down and it had a bubble around it
that and and beings got out of the craft but they were still in the bubble it would look like they're
they're behind the bubble the distorted you know look and the light they saw it would all would all check
out with how this tech with how the people might from say this technology works and then where the story
the head of the bbc south africa who was stationed in south africa and heard about this extra member's
up the story so he goes and he investigates it and he said after spending time talking to each of these
they were all telling the truth because kids just can't lie that good like little kids can't one-on-one
tell all the same details as each other one after another like it wasn't like five kids i think it
was like over 100 kids and and and and so he came to believe them but at the same time as a as a as a
him if these kids were all you know expert liars or crazy so he he he phoned the um the head of child
psychiatry at harvard at the time who was like apparently the the the leading expert on child
psychiatry in the united states at the time his name was john mack so he calls him he tells him about
this event and asks him to come out to south africa and interview the kids and tell him his conclusion
so mack flies out to south africa and he interviews these kids one at a time he films the interviews and
100 takes away the fact that these kids are all telling the truth that they all experience what they're
kids and he got them to do interviews for the phenomenon and it's amazing you see them you see
them talking as kids intercut with them as adults and they're saying the exact same thing none of them
story and the fact that these these interviews exist that you can watch of these little kids talking
it's super moving and yeah man james fox did an amazing job putting that piece of the film together
um towards the end of his process and i was able to play a role in helping get the movie out there and
and the marketing of the movie and and getting it out into the mainstream but he did a hell of a job
filmmaker and he's been ahead of the curve on this topic you know like he started making films on this before
his first movie uh you know uh i think it's called out of the blue was a good one and then i you know
who saw this creepy looking creature he did the he did the deepest dive i think someone actually died from it
and like like stories of men in black the u.s air force plane landing carting this thing off and then
so well even the his new one has the the surgeon of the hospital yeah that one surgeon who like
and james james did the best deep dive ever on it um and i'll tell you i i have heard from some of my
who we mentioned today jay stratton who you know co-ran osap and and and and was director of the uap task
force he he and others have told me that they spoke to people from the brazilian military like very senior
of the biological effects to civilians in that area um people that got zapped by uh this uap
in this event this this specific event um the the brazilian military did a massive investigation of it
and there's tons of evidence they you know they the people i've come to trust talk about it like an event
that really truly happened and and is well documented and maybe you know most likely the us the elements
of the us government that have been covering this up the folks involved in legacy program you know likely
had had a role in covering it up and just you know sure making sure it never never made it to the public um
talking about it on podcasts like yeah um in the past there wasn't enough people bringing attention to it
like he's going that doctor came out of the shadows and decided he would he would he would share his
the same time there's also like that's that's like ballsy of him to do that to do that investigation to
government ufos recorded on the radar of military fighter jets and unknown objects documented by the
military to go all the way to i communicated with a alien in a hospital telepathically like that's
we've already we've already gone past the ufo bridge like everyone can accept that ufos are real
it's pretty much in like the zeitgeist now in common in in america at least but like i feel
like it's gonna take a lot more to get people to the okay we're telepathically communicating with these
technologically advanced and like yeah even alien abductions like did any of the people that you talk to
go that far to talk about like talk about the actual beings people people did people i chose to
leave it out of the film because i just felt like for the average person who hasn't spent any time
discount the other stuff and so i think my my ultimately obviously i you saw the film ultimately
where i came out on it was um to have the film cover the base facts of the high level situation
and not get into that which would be sort of like the next bridge for the audience to get right right
but there's just already so the base facts are already
that was enough you know yeah and i actually had um in one uh cut of the movie i did have a little like
three or four minute scene that touched on it wasn't abductions but touched on um the personal
experiences some of the u.s government officials had at their homes after investigating this so
one of the wild things i learned was that as people involved in investigating this
for the government looked into non-human intelligent life it seems non-human intelligent life started
looking into them uh the analogy that they you know used to wrap their head around what's happening
intelligence community spies on the russian spy you know like we look into them because they're looking
them they started looking into non-human intelligent life in uap for the government and all of a sudden
and i ended up putting it into like a three or four minute scene in an early cut of the movie and when
i did test screenings um small test screenings with trusted friends time and time again at the end
the ideas you had going into watching the movie are the same after watching the movie those kind of
and and believed betrayal and every single time it was that sequence it was that sequence in the film
a bridge too far and i would even ask you know i asked the obvious follow-up questions you know i'd say
well the person telling that story didn't didn't the previous part of the film establish their credibility
uncovered is totally digestible to the audience so i just decided to take that scene out yeah this is
the long story short yeah the normies aren't ready for you exactly yeah and i don't know what that is
the interesting things in the film is rubio and clapper we talked about two guys we talked about today
they both say in the film they talk about how it's difficult for people to wrap their head around
it's something in the human psyche yeah that does that and that's actually something that they are
happening right now and and and and um put the right brain power towards it because we haven't
our face like we never imagined terrorists would fly you know come to the the homeland and learn to fly
know imagined the japanese would be able to you know strike us at pearl harbor with their missiles and
get their missiles through the straits but until they did um and so there's histories full of these
and then sometimes that leads to a strategic surprise that as he says in the film could change the course of
incredible stories and from where i was sitting as the guy doing all the interviews there was so much
overlap you it was like tell me what you heard about the aliens so talked to um several people who worked
on nuclear weapons bases who had seen a uap on the base like been part of an event that multiple
people witnessed with them and then in the coming days had subsequent events when they were off the
homes yeah or not necessarily those cases the new open stories were actually not homes it happened in
various not at work yeah not at work um one one story that did happen on the on a base though um
and i didn't i didn't include this in the film but i did say i have it maybe i'll maybe i'll
the internet just make it a dvd yes put on dvd people can have it collect hold on to it you know
the air force security guard on a nuclear weapons base had a had an encounter where him and his
he said that a bright light came from the uap and hit this vehicle that him and his partner went and they
the corner of his eye he saw three non-human beings approaching the car and he said he was terrified and
was no longer where it was in front of the the uh the nuke um site he was now at the bottom of a
reservoir that was on the back side of the base that you couldn't physically drive down to the truck was
couldn't move he was like gripping the steering wheel he said and um over the base over the radio
we are and apparently they came and got them and then when they brought him back to the base apparently
essentially interrogated them both asked them a million questions they sent them both to the
and the partner was shipped out to another country very quickly soon after that whoa yeah and um
the aftermath was like almost exactly the same him and his he that guy was um in another vehicle he had
investigation cia asking the questions and then um one of them was shipped to a base on in japan
and this is all this bolt bolt stories uh we're saying is you know before the internet before email
like it's like dramatic um one guy when he's telling the story actually i i he i noticed his like knee was
like going so fast that i i actually stopped the interview and i was like hey man you want to like
the beings looked like he said one was a really tall humanoid being and then there was other shorter
humanoid and then smaller ones that did not look the same and um whoa and he said that the tall
one had he could see in the corner's eye had what looked like like a cattle prod like a device in
its hand that was like a like a pole and he did the only reference point he had was i do remember that
um in different they happened in different years and like the circumstances um
you gotta i i personally think there's a difference between uh trap the difference between travis walton and
the cold war they have to be proven psychologically sound yeah to be in charge of those places and i
think like if we put ourselves in the context of history like during the cold war there would have
know i wanted to make it for the everyman so that the average person could understand this is a real and
this directive from trump i feel like the average person seeing 34 really credible military government
massive impact on people yeah the average person you know when i think about like my folks in jersey in
of a sudden like what this is real yeah you know you think about those normal people the normies as
you said um yeah that's who i was making the movie for and i think now that the average person is aware that
movies about all of those individually i'd like to and i'd like to i really i i enjoyed making the film
and i enjoyed the process of like making making an impact i do think the problem with it is like when
to delete oh yeah this this was the hardest creative process of my entire life yeah you know i've been as
a producer i've i've um i've built from the ground up a bunch of movies and tv shows you know including
ready player one i developed that from the very beginning when it was you know we just had the
book to start with the the book by ernest klein um and developing movies and tv shows is is hard it's a
it's a process it's a hard creative process um but this was the hardest creative process because
then it's a series and series i don't think series have the same cultural impact as movies right they just
don't i agree they don't the same staying power they're not as evergreen um and um you know a
honestly how many series they start and don't finish it's yeah it's gonna be majority do the
whole thing with the cliffhangers to get them into the next episode and all that yeah yeah i mean i had
the thought of course but then i was just like you know that's just not gonna make the same impact
right but a movie you know yeah someone tells you someone you know i see it all the time people say my
friend told me to watch the disclosure and like you know i went home and i watched it that night
movie you can completely learn the lay of the land you can now be able to talk about it you can now
uh like i said i think he's the greatest director of all time no one no one inspired me more
do the same thing so like i i didn't i didn't have any we didn't have a lot of money growing up um
you know normal like you know middle class in jersey and um so i saved up shoveling snow in the winter and uh
you know mowing lawns in the summer um to buy uh a camera super eight camera a 16 millimeter camera
editing you literally had to like cut the film right yeah and so uh i wrote directed produced and
film i made where two buddies of mine uh phil and dan they they rob a 7-eleven and it's like in the movie
i wanted a police car chase so at the time i was working at the uh the local pizzeria working the
counters like i think it's like probably freshman year in high school yeah the cops came in and they'd
always eat really cheap the role was the owner would let us charge cops 10 bucks no matter what they
participate in this police chase in my short film and the guy did it he did it and i sped up the film
hilarious and he got really into it we had this great camera movement at the end we're like at the
end like when the when the two thieves get away he like slams on his brake hops out of his car and
like the camera like moves around the door like and he just looks like a badass and he loved it and
he had a great time and um when i go home for the holidays to my little jersey town i often bump into
him at the local bar and he always brings it up he's like man that was awesome so i had all these i
like i tried to add like production value and all the things i did as a kid was making these short films
car chase or i'd get like the local emts the ambulances to like you know show up in a scene
and like um but i was very inspired by spielberg to do all that like reading about him the fact that
and it really cemented you know my uh my desire to get into the movie business and and make it a
career you know and then so years later when we developed ready player one so the way that started
is ernie ernie klein wrote the book amazing book he's an amazing author and um and uh i started
on board to fund the development of it and pay for the adaptations to be written and uh that process
started in 2010 a year before the book came out and then the book came out and became this big you
know sensation instant bestseller and we continued developing the screenplay and then it got to the
point in uh spring of 2015 we had a draft that we all loved and the studio loved and we needed a
director and we we brought it to spielberg and he loved the script and then he read the book and
loved the book that's amazing and um i remember learning uh at the time that his uh wife had
coincidentally just um listened to the audio book on her morning walks and so she had been talking
meant to be yeah he was hearing from multiple people how wonderful the book was and um yeah and
pre-production end of 15 we shot in 6 16 in the uk in the english countryside uh warner has a studio
2018 and um we premiered it at the south by southwest film festival opening weekend sunday afternoon of
2018 and that's relevant because uh a really cool thing for me was when when my movie the age of
disclosure was done we also premiered it in the exact same slot sunday afternoon opening weekend of
south by southwest film festival and we premiered in the same theater the paramount theater in austin
the historic paramount theater it's like an 1100 seat theater and it was pretty surreal for me
yeah being on stage introducing the movie well i have this memory of sitting in the audience
watching spielberg introduce ready player one in the same same place into that's pretty incredible
dude yeah yeah what's even weirder like kind of a glitch in the matrix um it was uh south by southwest
topic this alien ufo just a little bit on on set making the movie yeah you know he uh he's got a
it's gonna make a huge impact i think the one it's like a one-two punch i think like this documentary
from like the greatest filmmaker ever that you know shows a grounded story dealing with this i
think the combined impact of that is going to really open people's minds i mean if me watching
this documentary right what is the combined impact of my doc and his film gonna do for someone else
you know right or for other people or for the collective you know yeah um so i think i think movies
like when you had to get in the car drive there go sit down you know buy your popcorn buy your soda
sit down put your phone away make sure your phone's on silent you know like the fact that we don't do that
like it's days i do too i do too the um but making that movie making ready player one um i gotta say you
know for a guy who's the most successful person in the history of hollywood right yeah uh he was
cinematographers okay one of the some directors like to use the cameras the one he uses the most is um
a kid and the biggest influence on me and i'm getting to be on set with him making a movie that
i developed right the script i developed that's pretty that's pretty incredible i thought i was like
one day uh early on in making that movie um myself and uh ernie klein were in in the lunch line with
the crew just filling up a plate of food we're pretty far down the line i'd filled a full plate of food
that was a great memory i remember he he was telling us like he's just like you know he was the
amazing we were just sitting there with our jaws on the floor wow remember literally walking away
fun fact i was a production assistant or a camera production assistant on a movie with the
cinematographer who did independence day the dp of independence day it's amazing that's the closest
movie differently you know there's that great scene where um bill pullman who plays the president yeah he
says uh some line basically essentially saying uh someone brings up the idea that like our government
that's all yeah and then the guy who plays the head of the cia an actor named james redborn who's uh
passed away he actually lived in my hometown um he played the head of the cia and he he has that
famous line from the movie where he goes he's like well sir that's not exactly true you know and then
redborn is the tall guy uh white hair he was in the talented mr ripley he's in a lot of movies he was
in the game remember the game michael douglas oh that's an amazing movie by the way the game
the oh yes yes yes yes okay yeah really great oh dude yeah he was great he played it you never
saw the game with michael douglas it's been a long time ah i have seen it i have that movie is
bonkers um he yeah he played the the guy and yeah i remember that now fake boss i remember that
yeah exactly but do you remember like the bit at area 51 where they're like they're like who pays for
all this stuff when they show the the hanger with the ufo and stuff they're like they're like who funds
what they were saying oh my god it was like the move the popcorn movie way of saying like misappropriated
the the abyss yeah you know go back and watch oh yeah james cameron's abyss you know and then he went
down this whole you know the avatar movies and yeah dealing with life from elsewhere and you know i think
the abyss there was a story that you that you left out i heard about some guy recovering a vehicle out of the
ocean or something yeah yeah yeah one of the people i talked to who wouldn't go on camera um he was a
special forces guy who had been in involved in a uap event and it's a long story but the the summary is
there's a couple ways we test missiles so it's not generally speaking but one of the ways we test
missiles um we shoot them out into the ocean they drop into the ocean they go far distance and they
drop into the ocean and then we send special forces teams to go recover them usually like navy seals
they'll just go recover the missile um they put it on a some kind of like a recovery system and they
they bring it up into a chopper take it back and then they pull all the data from it for their tests
and the recovery was happening and this this guy was in the water uh with a couple of his colleagues
and they had like a you know i don't know what the correct word is did he tell you what ocean no i don't
connecting the missile and there was a helicopter floating above them there's a few of these guys in
the water doing this and then apparently a giant uap came out of the ocean like classic saucer ufo and it
was just there they look up they're freaking out people in the chopper are freaking out and apparently
this thing just took the missile somehow like they described it as like a magnet almost like it just took
it whoa yeah and then it took off um and these guys were just swimming in the water yeah yeah oh my god
before it's not like an isolated incident the ocean stuff is definitely definitely fascinating
you know it is um it really is man we might find out there's a whole civilization under the ocean
a good idea to stay in the atmospheres because the atmospheres are the atmospheres are so volatile
from planet to planet like the atmosphere of venus is like 900 degrees fahrenheit on like a cold day
so it's like it's like fucking hell right and yeah not only that but like the pressure is different that
the the there's volcanoes asteroids comets all kinds of shit you can't predict in the atmosphere
200 degrees fahrenheit and the pressure if you want to get the pressure right you just dial it down to
the depth you're going to get this you're going to get the right pressure depending on the depth that
you're at with the atmospheres that you're at so you would just go to water worlds because you can get
the exact temperature and pressure and if you had the ability to warp space-time in a localized area
and create like a bubble around your craft that's the key to interstellar travel right you could explore
well it's definitely the the key to interstellar travel which is wild yeah wait but by the way
the other thing just made me think of yeah we're talking about spielberg um he was so ahead of his
time with this topic right like he clearly had some insight in the 70s when he made close encounters
poltergeist the movie about i didn't know he wrote that yeah about paranormal activity um and a
that movie in the theater oh yeah yeah 100 bro yeah i think he i think he had i think he had real
consultants um in the same way that you know before i made the age disclosure i formed relationships with
high level intelligence officials who really kind of like helped me understand the lay of the land
insights um you know jock valet was is was one of the consultants on the movie that's the the french
book and you know i believe i believe spielberg's talked publicly about how um alan hynek who was the lead
story about spielberg um doing a screening of et at the white house for reagan and on the way out
reagan commenting on how there's just a few people who know how close to true the et story is or how
with that yeah i can't remember where i haven't i've never heard that yeah who was the president
was one day where they were talking on the golf course about it and nixon apparently said you know
showed him a uh a recovered ufo on a military base oh i thought he showed him an alien i thought the
the here's the story about spielberg and et um can you zoom in a little bit in the new interview
ain't cool news spielberg details the time you screen the classic film et at the white house for reagan
and distinguished guests and the former president's coy response to the alien epic he just this is a
quote from spielberg he just stood up he looked around the room almost like he was doing a head
count and then he said i want to thank you for bringing et to the white house we really enjoyed
your movie and then he looked around the room and said and there are a number of people in this room
spielberg says he said it without smiling without smiling yeah so that's the story i remember and
stephen did say that i saw the interview that's actually an on-camera interview i think no way
so uh yeah and that when you combine that with you know reagan gave a speech at the united nations
that you know most people either don't know happened or forgot about i put i put it in my film in the
disclosure he gives a speech where he talks about how he often thinks that the one thing that will unite
yeah but the wild thing about that is like put yourself in his shoes he's the president united
states he's giving a speech at the u.n he can say anything he wants right and he chooses to say that
think about the president of the united states doesn't have like free time you know like yeah you're
this this spielberg story and there's other stories um one of the one of the people i interviewed um
that i didn't end up including in the film simply because there wasn't time or like what they talked
about there wasn't like an organic way to get to it in the context of the doc it would have felt like a
the concern about uap coming in and out of our atmosphere was one of the motivations for the
had had learned how real the situation was now it's revealed in my film that most u.s presidents are
kept in the dark on this they're not told the truth and that they're told the base facts i think
some presidents my understanding is some presidents once they learned the base facts kind of like
on their own figured out the rest but they're largely just kept kept in the dark yeah but yeah reagan
and then bush the other the other one who has a big role we talked about in the film is um
bush two i mean excuse me bush one bush senior when he was director of the cia he was not
read in on this he was not told the truth about the crash retrieval and reverse engineering program
way to learn the truth about it and and got very involved and then his son bush too um knew the base
think tank we talked about it in my film one of the people who participated in the think tank is dr hal
pudoff who's in my film he tells the story about how he and i think he said like a dozen other people from
that the russians and the chinese and the americans have all recovered technology of non-human origin
and it's it's circumstances that we're all dealing with and that the the president was contemplating
stepping the microphone and telling the world the base facts and he wanted this group of people to
assess what the repercussions would be what the impact would be on society and rank it from a one to ten
scale um each vertical like the impact on religion the impact on the economy the impact on just a list
good thing and then when they started to like honestly evaluate it and like run the numbers they
decided that it was not a good idea and that there was more more than good than pros relative to the
story is the fact that it was like just after 9 11 so the context also was like the world was already
dealing with you know a big curveball and chaos and right you know the global war on terror started
and you know the timing of it also was a factor but hal goes on the record on camera saying he
to think that like you think back to the the you know bush choose presidency and you thought you
knew what was going on in the world and this was happening in a room secretly in dc that's crazy
from um sure coming forward on it yeah but well let's see if trump can see his legacy and be the
interesting year we are we are 100 living in in the age of disclosure that is that is for sure um i do
stratton's book that's gonna blow people's minds um i'm i'm thinking about what the next film i'm
down a specific situation that happened in the same way that james did that great film
um i founded relentless releasing the distribution company that that released the film and um building
bunch of different things for the for for what's next well it's a fantastic film and it's definitely
doing a huge part moving the needle thank you and getting people talking about this and making
it more normalized and you know helping us push this out so we can finally get the truth hopefully