that was a nightmare adjust your mic so it's facing you there you go three flights canceled
in in steps yeah how did this whole documentary start out for you so it's a kind of long origin
story i would say so you know i'm 46 and my childhood's the 80s and early 90s and grew up
also made us super curious about this topic and so my my whole life uh just been interested in the
life from elsewhere um but elements of the u.s government have been covering it up um so i've
real the situation around this topic was and so i got connected to some senior intelligence officials
it very serious and does know a lot more than the public does so in those those conversations um
that thing that i direct to and so um it's sort of like the the origin and then um
there's a lot they they they can share they've just been historically discouraged from doing so
they didn't really have a way to tell the world this complicated situation right and so i was sort of in the
and so something really wild happened which is basically there was this moment in time where
for those who had the knowledge so this this group of military government intelligence officials
a number of them most of them most of them most of like who um so for example uh jay stratton okay
you know jay was was he one of the first people you talked to yeah yeah so jay was um in the process
uh a member of the uap task force um yeah he was that was a big deal when he came out yeah yeah so
through his congressional hearings where he was right saying that the most important stuff so um and i i
so much stuff that he was saying in front of congress was nutty yeah yeah and there's a lot
even happened right you know people people are just so busy and everyone's got their nine to five and
register for everybody so so jay was there from the jump and he was sort of leading you around
staff so most people don't know this actually it's really interesting so um the senate intelligence
break up topics so like one guy will know everything about uap one guy will know everything about nuclear
technology one guy will know everything about you know environmental issues you name it and so
uncovering this this truth um and learning all the reality of it um so i formed i formed a
you know different than than it is and so they really helped keep me keep me on the right path
me so skeptical though you know if i'm having politicians and intelligence people telling me who to
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air force bases and our war weapon technology all that kind of stuff during the cold war so they're like
and anywhere you can throw off your adversary it's strategic to do so sure so just because that
this public spectacle like like the paul thing um so look i think the reality of it is uh everyone i
in the government so the government there's like the secret war between the u.s government and private
industry trying to wrestle control of this stuff whatever it is so private industry certainly has
you know the dod um and so you know he explained how you know you you you give that technology to
even know the program exists but the the defense contractors still chugging along and so you get
within the cia the air force and the department of energy that are very much involved in this and so
congressional oversight when it started in the 40s and so the tug of war really is elected officials
to work on this right you know they don't yeah who can do the same thing and so it's hard to simply put
it's hard to win a technology race if most of your scientists don't even know it's real you know and so
the us lead in in this new frontier so we can make sure that it's used for the betterment of all mankind
so a number of the people i interviewed made the point of you know their their opinion is that we
a national priority on this front so that we win this technology race do you think there's any sort
back channel like look there's got to be some coordination here i think so multiple people i
and so i don't i no one's ever told me that currently there is still active communication and
said uh there was there was so much uap activity near nuclear weapon sites that it was it was clear to
both leaders of both nations that they needed to make the other aware so that no one misinterpreted a uap
kept so much out of the loop that they they didn't even have a shot at grabbing the reins
sponge just to get all the grease off the bottom they're heavy they feel premium and they look so good
so you know of course let's let's you know let's not do an interview and yeah you know i always made a
thinking of what the possibilities are yeah so after everything what is your high high level 30 000
is full of life and so extraterrestrials i think i think i think all things are on the table i think it
water world with no land what are the chances it's going to evolve to be so similar to us
at impossible speeds under the water past our submarines and um so much so that they tim gallaudet
tim's one of those people yeah um so much so that they they're they're making the logical conclusion
no naval expert so if there's people listening who you know know i'm off on this that that's fine but
happening in our oceans and in space where you're not flying right right and so unidentified anomalous
foot you know it's ridiculous and um and the average scientist didn't think it was real and so the
of the stigma so big a big mission for people in my film when when i talk to them you know off camera
know if uh for so many stories of high level navy fighter pilots who see something in the air that's
this bullshit you know and so they weaponize it dude there's a crazy a great um story in annie
pilots up with gorilla masks in the cockpits so in the case they got into visual distance with a
commercial aircraft they'd wear their gorilla mask wow so if someone they tried to go to the bar later
like throwing a curveball into the story that's crazy yeah dude that's wild yeah so imagine man
doing now bro dude that's crazy that is crazy that is wild so this legacy program
so you talk in the movie you hear about the legacy program you hear other people talk about the legacy
is this big monolith so it's not that in that um i learned pretty quickly you know leadership of the
thousands and thousands of employees yeah and so someone reveals in my film that it's the head of
so it's all kinds of things multiple companies all working together is the best all working together
yeah not competing no so from from you know what i what what the big takeaway was from all my interviews
so sits at the top of the the org chart and then the air force is used for operations so they have the
centers um so they they also have a classification system that allows to keep all of this um extremely
right so the classification system that they go by is like outside of the intelligence community's
know slam the door on even them when they were inside of government you know so um
seven or ten years now works at the mitre corporation so there's this adult revolving door
corruption you know it's a flawed system so and then the other question is how do these where are
reasons for doing so you know that's why i keep saying it's not a black and white situation you know
race with adversaries and so um the best course of action ultimately is to not share with the public
industry which is like you know the whole world is propped up on oil right so we've been hiding free
they worry about so if you look at the the technology it these crafts are it's revealed in my film how
currently not tapping into right and whether that is so-called free energy you know zero point energy
destruction in the blink of an eye and that's a terrifying thought and so see how it's it's not black it's not a black
make you know a weapon of mass destruction all of a sudden right that's absolutely terrifying so you
oil companies too they're like if i get this out i'm going to lose billions of dollars so i'm just
cartels get free energy weapons and ufos it's crazy but so when you when you talk about this then you
would be stopped so by who the government it's illegal to build nuclear weapons yeah but you think
create superior weapons yeah um so anyway like i mean look maybe how's right maybe he's wrong but his
his outlook is that um because this technology could be so revolutionary to the way we live and because um
put this uh disclosure directive in motion and so it's it's playing out right now we'll we'll see you
so now i don't think i don't think it's been i don't think it's been used did they give you any
uh you know a weapon of mass destruction anything so like the way you the way you could use it is i
think pretty pretty clear it's a so you can move a move of a weapon from point a to point b instantaneously
ultimately there's probably so many layers above this and above the so many layers above not only the
and not be like okay this is a hundred percent yeah a hundred percent so what's the next level
retrieved craft actual aircraft like technology not spiritual stuff technology of non-human origin and so
the space race analogy is so great too is like think about it like there's probably a lot of people
it so i think like that that's sort of a level set with the american public is i think what we're gonna
long time ago broke off the human family tree um you know there's so much of our our planet that we
yeah um so you know look there's a lot of possibilities the the only thing that's certain
there there is indisputable video evidence that exists it's just classified so you know the best we
line saying i have seen that with my voice it exists right and so that's that's where we are now and
like essentially cloakable yeah so people always say you know the the average person always says well if
above the water they're they're below the water line exactly and and so it's the same thing here if
if we see so many of these things coming out of the oceans all the time and we have i mean
they collect a lot of data though yeah like a lot of data at a classified level there's got to be so
much more under the water look i was just to guess yeah i would guess there'd be so much more because
and then vanished jesus that's fucking bananas now it's got to be so scary because you're a sitting
and how did they use nukes to try to like bait the ufos in yeah so that's one of the really fascinating
nuclear progress and to what we do with nuclear technology and so they started creating environments
the same time i think um my understanding is that adversarial nations have done this and do this so that
so if we don't do it then we would fall behind um again one of those like examples of this being a
uh so so it was some of the intelligence officials
directive we need to we need to identify what evidence exists that can be declassified right so
he you know he brought it up so there you go it's interesting how were they if that's true if that
drape such as drape j stratt yeah um have told me that in the past nuclear footprints were used so
whoa yeah so actually um something that you know your listeners will find fascinating um so so jay
a lot of there's a lot of data that shows that this this is a real area of inquiry so if you get
out of the uap topic for a second so stargate it's a real program that really existed there is so much
fallen off radar yeah and so there's always there's all this data out there that's that's indisputable that
that program existed it was real there's a there there right it's a real situation and so it's not
uh let's put a pin there i gotta piss so bad i can taste it we're back so you know we're talking
and i'm not to our audience though totally well yeah i'm conscious of it for sure and so it's i think
right um and so you know that that is that is sort of the bar i've always held like you know i i put
that they have as leverage to earn more money in different private organizations oh yeah yeah so yeah
right and so no one who spoke on camera in my film and revealed these extraordinary truths
what is true that can be lawfully disclosed and so yeah what did you make of james clapper i think
they did in fact have a program to actively investigate uap so he unveiled the air force's
sensationalized so much you know in movies and tv shows that i think most people don't think it's real
that so how do i how do i know he's honest about this right you know you're calling who you want to
good you know you know and and he was like no this is important so you know um and and and and to be
as if he was thinking himself like well i just said it so hopefully hopefully that's okay you know
whole grander scheme so okay so if you play that out which of course i've had that i've had that thought
with that but so if look if someone cracked this kind of technology in the 40s my point is i think
make any sense to me you might be right anything steve so major u.s defense contractors are generally
nvidia and alphabet okay yeah yeah so it's just not it's just not realistic like it you know everyone
the job of knowing so prior to investigating uap and non-human intelligent line for the government
20 30 years out um in terms of air and space technology it was literally his job so like the
about this one thing right so much so that in the movie uh when james earl jones the head of the cia
does and so they asked him you know please tell us this is one of ours he had been read in on all the black
he was read in on those so that he could identify things that are ours versus things that are
unknowns or potential threats and it was clear to him that it wasn't so that same guy ends up you know
classified that would give them so much leverage they they would have never lost a defense contract
they they would have so much leverage there is no way they would not be a more valuable company
or nobody knows what you really have except for a very small group of people where's the value so in
somewhere know about it right and so does lockheed in that dynamic i personally believe lockheed would have
legacy programs work and some of it might be a result of china's program right um so i think that
like something just completely it was like i i think i just watched it so it was like i think it
so if that stuff has started happening it's getting siloed and and hidden and underneath black
that time it was like two trillion so yeah and now it's like now it's a balloon to like 11 trillion or
details it not enough to be able to talk about um so maybe maybe there's another whole hidden hand
mind's eye to go somewhere else he had never even heard of remote viewing so sends him down this rabbit hole
this and that person asked him if he had ever had a uap encounter he said he didn't think so uh
when you were young scott's father had passed so he talked to his mother and his mother actually without
the mom had heard of it so she's like jogging scott's memory and then um after that it sent him down
years of his life scott's life and um yeah so it's like scott year seven scott year eight and inside
probably should keep those details so this so this this this guy in in real life scott is um someone i was
show up to talk to him about right so um yeah the same thing happened in rendalsham right yeah yeah
after after the there was an event at rendalsham so rendal for those that don't know you know rent
uh the events uh occur just outside of woodbridge okay ufo landings so
so look the air force and the cia's role in this is is well well documented people have been talking about
whose um parents were working in south africa for some reason and uh so it wasn't it wasn't like local
like the the world could burn and there'd be all this destruction yeah right so an adult watching that
up the story so he goes and he investigates it and he said after spending time talking to each of these
was like over 100 kids and and and and so he came to believe them but at the same time as a as a as a
him if these kids were all you know expert liars or crazy so he he he phoned the um the head of child
psychiatry in the united states at the time his name was john mack so he calls him he tells him about
so mack flies out to south africa and he interviews these kids one at a time he films the interviews and
second was i know what i saw right mm-hmm i think so yeah yeah um but uh yeah moment of contact was
leaving like yeah that one is like there's so much testimony witness testimony that lines up
so well even the his new one has the the surgeon of the hospital yeah that one surgeon who like
just didn't find out you know so i think it's it's it's an exciting time for civilian journalism and
story yeah so it's like bringing attention to stuff actually leads to more coming out you know and at
discount the other stuff and so i think my my ultimately obviously i you saw the film ultimately
but there's just already so the base facts are already
is already so extraordinary you know and such a departure from people's everyday life that i felt
experiences some of the u.s government officials had at their homes after investigating this so
at us and so these intelligence officials just sort of like applied that logic to what was happening to
uncovered is totally digestible to the audience so i just decided to take that scene out yeah this is
get their missiles through the straits but until they did um and so there's histories full of these
human history yeah and and so there's this it is interesting and i found it i found it really
incredible stories and from where i was sitting as the guy doing all the interviews there was so much
overlap you it was like tell me what you heard about the aliens so talked to um several people who worked
uh yeah i think i might do that one day but so one of these interviews um i did was it was it was
and you know social media and all that so like you you know by telling someone don't talk to each other
like going so fast that i i actually stopped the interview and i was like hey man you want to like
there would have been even more um thoughtfulness put towards who gets those jobs yeah you know and so
know i wanted to make it for the everyman so that the average person could understand this is a real and
scripted movies uh or whether it's um whether it's just you know news program special yeah i'm sure there's so many more
branches and so many more story lines that you could have followed and you can make uh you know
you're doing that kind of thing and i've done it before it's like there's so much good you got
then his friends would be in them um his family members would be in them and so i was inspired to
do the same thing so like i i didn't i didn't have any we didn't have a lot of money growing up um
you know normal like you know middle class in jersey and um so i saved up shoveling snow in the winter and uh
editing you literally had to like cut the film right yeah and so uh i wrote directed produced and
i wanted a police car chase so at the time i was working at the uh the local pizzeria working the
ate they could get 30 dollars worth of food 10 bucks and uh so they liked us and uh i remember i asked
you know you can speed up film right so yeah he was going fast but i made him look like he's going
him at the local bar and he always brings it up he's like man that was awesome so i had all these i
career you know and then so years later when we developed ready player one so the way that started
coincidentally just um listened to the audio book on her morning walks and so she had been talking
then so he he came on board spring of 15 and everything got fast tracked um we started
film festival 2006 that i met uh ernest klein who wrote ready player one so this all kind of happened
you know right or for other people or for the collective you know yeah um so i think i think movies
you get especially in this day and age where everyone's so add and looking at a million things
a powerful force of movie i think and so especially when you like really have to invest in it you know
anymore it's kind of sad because that's like you're you're so locked in when you're when you're there
boom they're at area 51. i want to see who that was like i'm not it's not ringing a bell right so james
it's so good yeah dude i remember that i remember watching that moment and being like this is so
know like so basically like basically saying that like there's all these about that basically saying
there's a couple ways we test missiles so it's not generally speaking but one of the ways we test
like you know how it performed um so that's just like a thing we do and so one of these tests happened
contractor and he was explaining to me he he it made so much sense when he explained this to me he says
a good idea to stay in the atmospheres because the atmospheres are the atmospheres are so volatile
so it's like it's like fucking hell right and yeah not only that but like the pressure is different that
you're at with the atmospheres that you're at so you would just go to water worlds because you can get
the other thing just made me think of yeah we're talking about spielberg um he was so ahead of his
investigator of project blue book was one of his consultants um so yeah he had he had people
was into it there was a story there was a famous story of jackie gleason and nixon yeah yeah yeah so
spielberg says he said it without smiling without smiling yeah so that's the story i remember and
so uh yeah and that when you combine that with you know reagan gave a speech at the united nations
facts and he wanted to disclose it right and he was contemplating disclosing it so he held a multi-day
story is the fact that it was like just after 9 11 so the context also was like the world was already
just like wow so yeah i think some presidents have found out and then ultimately been discouraged
that and uh gonna be releasing other movies as well so um that's awesome yeah i'm thinking about a
it more normalized and you know helping us push this out so we can finally get the truth hopefully