He said that it took a couple of days to describe how human beings live in our time.
To help me.
Right.
And that's where some people, I think, get maybe you ruffle feathers in a way that people are like, I'm not ready for that yet.
because I put out my documentary, everything's out, which was great.
Uh, which, which is great because I can speak to you now and don't have to say, I'll have
He just hung up on me three weeks ago because he thought I was lying to his wife that I said,
And not happy.
Was there something about the content that caused them to file it differently or give it special handling?
So not once did it seem like he was very willing to come forward.
Welcome to the program, Victor.
I think it's fair to say at this moment I'm in defense.
This snafu with the telephone numbers.
Can I ask you who is at your studio at this time?
But then, you know, later we can talk about this, but there was, and some people's contention with this, was the financial aspect of it.
Like he did receive money for something.
And he explains that, and we'll talk about that a little bit later.
And I do want to address it because I think it's an important point to address.
But, yeah, he was very reticent.
He did not want to come forward on camera.
Right.
Yeah, visibly angry.
Well, unvisibly, invisibly angry.
And it's funny because the director, Jeff Broadstreet, of the hundreds of talks I've had with him on email, he would tell me,
John, once we settled him down, he was actually a chatterbox.
He was actually very, you know, very cordial and very, and when, okay, you know, in Chicago we call them, you know, cacarons.
Two people making comments who don't know each other from 10, 20 years, eras apart.
Eric Davis said, quote, they wore sandals, sometimes no shoes, ponytails, and they walked around humming Pink Floyd music.
And I went, this direct Jeff Broadstreet just kind of gave me a nugget here.
Follow the money.
Even Jeff Broadstreet said, I don't think Tom Coleman got a whole lot of money for this.
So my point is, was there enough money to produce, and people hate when I say this, an animatronic being that we think would have to have had about five operators with remote control cables, dragon skin, rubber skin.
Because there was that.
They were confused.
The special effects person said, it does one move.
And that's a lot to contain for such a...
And so during that time, yeah, you could see, because imagine smuggling something out.
Like it would have been just the highest security ever.
He talks about eschatology, the study of the end of the world and religion.
Mayan calendars.
Which was a counterintelligence operation of, I'm dying.
And even Art Bell, you know, admits that it took 20, 30 minutes for him to warm up to
Obviously, a real alien is much more interesting.
So, he goes back to the producers who first documented this and really goes off on him.
Like, to me, that really raised, again, my conviction level that he believes what he's
saying.
It's been 11 years since I brought out that tape.
Like, I don't know the reality.
Dan Burr says how frail the beings were.
And a lot of people said, no, it's not even a department or whatever.
I'm like, why can't I find it?
I mentioned facilities.
Sure.
Owns a microbrewery with his wife who was in linguistics for the CIA.
Do you know, uh, is it Carl Wolf?
I believe it was.
And, you know, they say, you know, we're, we're part of the same galaxy, but our mission is to monitor this planet, yada, yada.
And that, uh, you know, he asked him, is God real?
And I remember going, holy shit.
But this video might be real.
Oh, my God.
Are you telling me?
He's in my documentary.
Something I'm very proud of.
They nicknamed him Oscar.
It was his first mission.
I'm not worried.
Don't worry about that.
And her husband felt the same thing.
She said he went crazy at a conference table when they told him that they were the, that
a, a offensive weapon or something, a system that they were developing was going to be used
or could be used or, or being pushed to being used in an offensive manner for the military.
He exploded, but you can change the world with this.
And they, they actually threw him out of the program.
They, they, they, uh, they, they did things she felt to inhibit him from getting a real
She said he was a, a, an, uh, adjunct professor or lecturer, not a full time.
She said, John, I'm telling you, two of his students from UCLA came up to him when we were
out because they lived in Los Angeles and, you know, professor, blah, blah, blah.
She goes, I know he wasn't full of it.
Um, but they turned him into a bum effectively.
Yeah.
Just like what Victor claims.
I'm on the run.
You know, that's interesting.
I would, very interesting.
I would, um, you know, I'm extending a branch out here to, you know, anybody who knows this
It's, it's interesting.
It is frustrating as well, because, you know, part of you is like, you can hold this information
We have no idea what this is.
And I said, sir, my name is John Stewart.
I'm from Chicago.
He said, uh, where's this from?
I'm like, I go.
If you're looking for gold in 1800s, you would create a gold detector to help you find gold in the
ground on that type of, that type of, um, that type of, of, uh, methodology.
This is not enough.
I want to be a true journalist.
He goes, John, every foam latex style that I've been involved in since the fifties during the drying process, around 75%, they let the arms droop down.
You know, if they mold a creature and when they, every creature, when the arms come down, a crease develops in the armpit.
He sends me 20 pictures of the creature of the black lagoon to this guy, to this, this video.
He was able to lighten it.
It is bracketed by a metal bracket, not where Chris Ramsey and John Stewart would put four pieces of angle iron metal around a piece of glass.
No, that's not true.
I looked at my wife and said, well, that's crazy.
I'm like, she's like, what happened?
It was classified as an unauthorized viewing.
Not a theft.
Instead of giving it a classification like, I can't even think of a scientific name.
He actually referred to it as one of the other grays.
Maybe not real at this point, but I am getting names to this film.
There's starting to become a realness.
I look, there's his biopic in Wikipedia.
I find his email.
We stopped it from closing.
With the VA.
Mm-hmm.
a Dr. Craig McPherson
who admitted being a scientist at Area 51?
You have,
whether it's real or not,
from the Air Force.
This guy was in the Army.
involved with extraterrestrials,
but that's exactly what I did.
She used his nickname.
I did not call him by his nickname
they're basically take a vow of silence.
What he said was that remote viewers,
East Berlin was the communist that they were,
used for counterintelligence vetting or,
that this type of alien use what's called time sequence,
He's got the monk cassock on.
He looks like he's in a Catholic school gymnasium background,
Vow of silence is interesting too.
I just made that connection because the lack of sound and the lack of speaking might heighten the telepathic senses.
now Victor comes back in 08 and says,
we finally figured out what the aliens were telling us.
20 years from 08 is,
Almost 20,
Which is 20,
or the other one,
I've never said publicly and you deserve that because,
you know,
I really respect your show and bring me out.
let's,
you're going to meet Leslie Keene in New York.
you know,
I'm worried about getting assassinated.
But that is,
that was the,
one of the lowest parts of the investigation they have.
That feeling like,
what,
do you think this is a game?
Men have been killed to protect this secret,
this secret that you're trying to expose.
And not only the secret,
you're going to,
you're going to,
if they did the story,
you're going to have full Jacoby's name in the New York times.
Are you freaking mine?
Yeah.
So that's how scary it got for me.
And I never told that story.
And of course I don't indict Leslie for anything.
Later on,
I will tell a story about her.
And Ralph and Leslie,
we spent three hours,
we had lunch.
And in about an hour and a half into it,
Ralph was like,
stop.
we believe,
we believe you.
You got enough for us to take to the science editor.
That's the process.
Something like this.
Aliens.
Take to the science editor.
if one,
you can do one thing,
get somebody in uniform,
get somebody with the government to come forward to say,
you know,
I can't tell you everything.
He's like,
I just want to tell you a couple of things about him.
this,
but you got to get it past my commanding officer.
and I still don't,
This is ridiculous.
He said he would try and help you.
and I want to talk about this,
about the Q94109A document
Doty goes,
you sent that to the DIA?
and remove it.
one thing I,
I respect and,
keep keeping and,
keeping an open mind
my intelligence handlers.
go ahead.
I'm not going to interrupt you.
that the stalking has only been with my phone from the government because I have no idea and have never talked about and never given,
please listen to me,
whatever it is.
but I've never talked about it at great length.
is it because the other species are like us,
you know,
the line,
if he's trustworthy.
the future?
And that's your answer of why.
with the end game is for somebody in the fricking government or a former military person to stand up and say this,
this is this doctor.
cause like that would eat at you,
you know,
and I'm sure.
Don't harm my neighbors or my wife or kids.
It's fake.
you're prosecuting him because it's not fake.
a guest on one,
like some.
picked him up at for the documentaries for $5,000.
Whoa.
a line,
this is,
it's too Tom Clancy,
In 2008,
we picked Victor up at a residence in Rancho Cucamonga,
manager to tell the newspaper in Rancho Cucamonga.
Could you help this guy?
no knocks on the door.
a lady,
I saw the filters were obviously fake,
but the core video has still yet to be.
He was asked about it.
He's like,
the investigator who created OPNAC and BBS,
a guy by the name of,
now I sound like UAP Gerb.
A guy by the name of Dr.
Arthur Sherlock.
He was a millionaire.
He donated this platform to who?
The United States Navy.
They didn't talk about aliens in his bio.
And what else did he help the Navy with?
Propulsion.
I know you're shocked.
Interesting.
Art Sherlock.
Art Sherlock was like a,
was like a,
what year was this?
But they used this facility for aliens in 54.
Yeah.
Up until 62,
when S2 Alpha at Papoose Lake was built.
And they transferred.
And we have the FOIA document from that.
And then they transferred from there to Utah.
That's correct.
Yeah.
That's correct.
And in the mid nineties,
I believe the Papoose Lake facility has been under caretaker status since,
since the mid nineties.
And probably since Bob Lazar.
Oh yeah.
The minute Lazar came out,
that was,
that,
that,
that,
that,
that wheels were implemented to,
to switch the program.
I think it's interesting too,
No man's land is Papoose Lake.
He also is so frustrated with me.
He told me not to email him again till March.
you and I will be swinging from an end of a rope.
with how people view you on the internet,
that this,