This film was filmed on April 22, 1991 at 3.15 in the afternoon
on behalf of the Department of Naval Intelligence,
I said, what does that stand for?
He goes, synthetic, astrobiological, extraterrestrial races.
Skepticism, I think, is healthy.
And I, too, practice skepticism.
Yeah, exactly.
Would a, because, and I'm so glad I thought of this.
When this first came out and before you were in the UFO community, everyone in the UFO
He's precise.
So, you know, that's the reason he was shopping this around.
It was somebody that was familiar to some degree with audiovisual, audiovisual production, something very, very important to remember.
Yeah.
That it was near impossible to do this without some knowledge of the vernacular of Hollywood.
Was there $80,000 back then?
What I just described, people aren't getting paid.
Those two gentlemen, they don't believe it.
But it's also potentially, as Victor does point out eventually, in their best interest to say that I can make it better.
And so, to me, I always think, you know, even if you look at...
What was it?
What better way to sort of misdirect the audience is to leak an alleged interaction with a being
and have people sort of question?
And he's just kind of fed up because, and he really kind of goes off on ufologists and
grifters and, you know, and that's not something normally a grifter would do.
And what's one part that lowers it?
Okay.
But the other thing was the doctor behind him, and this for me as just a body language observer,
And that's what I read.
I'm like, this guy's like, he's kind of like, doesn't know what to do with his hands, kind of like pretending to be a doctor.
If I look at it through that lens, that's how I see it.
Now, I also don't know how I would react if I had to fix a choking alien.
I don't know that I wouldn't also act exactly like he did, right?
Am I going to touch something that's going to hurt the alien?
That's right.
Are you ginger with it?
Are there people with guns looking at me right now?
Like, I don't know the reality.
Dan Burr says how frail the beings were.
Victor tells us that this being was at the end of its interview cycle.
Yeah, it was going to be retired.
It was going to be retired.
Obviously, you could tell the being was slightly infirmed, especially with the respiratory illness that he had.
And I agree with you.
Yeah.
So, for me, that was, I think, the biggest contention is just body language of this second doctor.
Other than that, I really can't find much to really go on.
But what about you?
What's one thing that raised your conviction level looking at this video?
And what's one thing that lowered it?
That it is such a casually shot video.
Because, you know, wouldn't you put them in pressure?
They come in in short sleeve scrubs.
And on it is a Colonel Carl Prinslow of the Department of Naval Intelligence.
I've got all 22 pages of this conference.
You know, it's like you get a little brochure of today.
And he said, yeah.
She's like, yeah, it is.
It absolutely is.
Private detectives smear a national newspaper still to this day.
It's on Grok.
And so I said, Mark, before everyone gets on, what is the DNI, the Department of Naval Intelligence?
This is classified.
We can't tell you.
So I got the monitor if you want to go over the monitor because that's a really,
Uh huh.
That this was his first mission.
It was a hard landing.
And that he described that he was sick and that he wanted to know where his other crew members
Nothing good about a great hoaxer.
Yeah.
going to tell the people about this program.
You know, that's interesting.
I just lost the governor's primary for the libertarian party.
Um, my life isn't very good at the time.
I don't know what I don't know what I'm looking at.
I'm like, you've never seen anything like this.
I find that a little weird.
He said, that's interesting.
I don't want to scare people to death.
Yeah, so you cropped it.
And, and Bill goes, somebody made this.
There's a reason for that protrusion.
And, um, I've had other people email me.
There were the two doctors that approached as well.
On my birthday.
project Aquarius out at Papoose Lake and the Nellis Test and Training Facility.
Intelligence.
And he writes back.
When you're honorable and you're in the military
and you don't want to lie to somebody,
Let's go.
A George Casanza story.
So I gave her the whole story.
This is Linda Moldenhow.
She's like,
John,
you have gold here.
This is Linda Howe.
You have gold.
G-O-L-D here.
I'm like,
what do you mean?
She's like,
I've never heard of these men.
John,
everybody in 30 years
has come to me
with these retread names
of men
in the military
and they get retread.
They're now part of this program
or this program.
You have,
whether it's real or not,
you have names.
New names.
Of new names
of men I've never heard of.
I am telling you,
you have gold.
And she said,
I interviewed Dr. McPherson.
It's on the internet.
I go,
I find it.
He said,
I was a scientist.
I worked with alien craft,
but I didn't work with beans.
Why would you be specific about that?
I don't know.
So I got the wrong Craig McPherson,
but I finally found
the right Craig McPherson.
So all of these names
are jiving.
Now I see
Robert Donovan,
Army Intel.
I spent $400
with private investigators,
name searches,
my own skip trace software
in the Nellis Test and Training Range.
Your real legal name
Doesn't want to talk about anything.
She said,
John,
made contact and talked with him.
how many could there have been back in the sixties?
He said that it took a couple of days to,
they were not verbal.
The beans were not,
You're telling me there's a guy,
a few hours South of here.
My investigator says,
you know,
they also won't say a word.
He was only in that,
this program.
Yeah.
Not a 30th.
Right.
As Ralph Blumenthal from New York times went,
gonna find an alien and prove an alien video.
they were,
she leaked stuff to them.
So they leak stuff to her.
if one,
I'm going to be this story.
They're not violating this deep secret.
So they can say,
extraterrestrial races,
saber.
Does the United States government in their possession,
This guy was calling me.
He has not returned my email after this explosive thing.
When did Grush come forward?
at the Nellis Test
and Training Range
the guy went,
we know Jon Stewart
your name is on our
file logging system,
and that's the end of it.
And that's,
to talk about Rick Doty.
Rick Doty has told me
never said that.
and skepticism about these people's,
Am I not allowed to say that?
absolutely not.
that is bringing me into,
Okay,
he said it again.
Well,
Even something innocuous.
Sure.
I will pry and feel free to continue to,
to not talk about it,
I don't know what to make of the other one.
I just,
Right.
I look,
But we don't want to talk about Nordics.
and I think that is 90% of this draconian,
Fundamentally,
I do agree that there are national security risks to a lot of this information.
I suppose.
I just want to know if any of it is real.
Right.
and that's it.
Right.
I'm not looking to reverse engineer a time machine.
Right.
I'm not that smart and I,
and I,
I don't know anybody who is,
but I do,
you know,
if you're not going to meet me halfway and be like,
here are the crafts or we have crafts or we have,
if you're not going to meet me halfway,
well,
then we're all just going to keep digging until we find something sensitive.
Right.
And when I find,
tell me this is real or not,
and when I find something sensitive,
like a project name and they're like,
don't talk about that.
Guess what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the project name because I want them to at least acknowledge something.
Give us something.
Let us know.
I understand that.
They never said,
none of my friends can talk about it or admonish anyone.
Yeah.
John Stewart.
That's a value.
I think,
my security else.
And well,
You're investigating the alien interview.
You are on a very interesting endeavor.
I appreciate the honest answer.
At the very least,
and it diminishes it.
Do you know who Victor is?
What we would like to do now,
somebody on Reddit,
Avenue with Victor.
Sorry,
I didn't mean to go off on a tangent.
Okay.
Yeah.
And how do you know their intelligence if they haven't?
Maybe my favorite question.
I can't figure this out.
Well,
I just,
you know,
And somebody on the internet found the two names.
One was a brigadier general and one was an,
It was the Bermuda biological station attached to the offshore platform.
But they used this facility for aliens in 54.
The minute Lazar came out,
that was,
I wish I knew the provenance of that beam.
These people specifically set a partition.
And we're seeing a partition.
claims he wasn't Victor claims.
He had the necktie that Victor wore that he threw away six years ago,
is that the mission?
Gotta be the mission.
I'm a person who has conversations and who thinks philosophically maybe in my quiet little corner,
And on,
on X,