Carlos Sousa, gone.
Unreachable 26 years gone.
One of the hands was inside the field and the other out.
And the truth is that I am a testemunha ocular.
I see the being, yes.
It's been almost exactly, actually, a year.
Um, actually January would make it a year since you graced us
Amazing.
Anyway.
15, 16 years.
I'm like, oh, James, you know, cause somehow it came up at the conference and we were in a place called Peru Ibi to the south of Sao Paulo.
It was on the coast.
In fact, I know it was on the coast.
And, uh, he's like, oh yeah, you know, you heard about the case.
I was like, oh God, I started rolling my eyes and I was like, yeah, I've heard about it, but you know, come on, live aliens walking.
And then Stanton's like, no man, it's, you should look into that.
That's, and Stanton is the reason why him and a handful of others that we, you know, Kevin Randall and Don Schmidt.
I mean, John Mack.
Well, that we know about.
That we know about.
Yeah.
Of course.
Yeah.
But I was saying that I had so much respect for him because, because of him, we're talking about Roswell.
Right.
Absolutely.
And Randall and Don Schmidt.
Oh, right.
A handful of others.
Okay.
I'll, I'll, I'll take a look.
I'll, I'll take a look.
And I, and I, I hooked up with a guy, Marco Leal, who deserves colossal amount of credit.
And he was kind of into it early on.
I think maybe he'd been at it for six years when, when, when we met.
And, and, uh, you know, there was other researchers that came before me, Claudio Covo, uh, AJ Javard, uh, Uber to Jada Rodriguez, Pacacini, uh, Marco Petit.
see right, uh, right at the beginning. Cause he had, he had problems. This was like, uh, this was
mentioned that Marco came clean to this doctor because he's like, yeah, yeah. So sorry. Yes. I
you guys caught that on video. That was just such a powerful moment. And Carlos is a geography
professor. So, you know, he's not, uh, I don't know. And an ultralight pilot. And yeah, absolutely.
I was thinking the whole time, like, this is not going well.
Yeah. So I'm, I'm glad you caught that. Um, it was amazing even to see him have a branch
you have no idea.
And you don't know if they're going to know all wine.
So I'm going to, he never once thought extraterrestrial.
He never thought UFO.
And I talked to some of the most leading researchers in Brazil that have been scratching their heads
on this case.
Was there other, were there other crashes during that time?
Mm-hmm .
But this is something else that just like, I got goosebumps just thinking about it.
Ubarajara kind of just went quiet.
Just say, hey, you know what?
Can we just meet?
He talked about his wife and becoming a dad and all these, you know, things kind of get
to know each other a little bit.
So, and, uh, I think it was like the next day or maybe the day after we were going to
meet with a gentleman that was also involved in the, um, transportation or he was, he went
Allegedly, right?
With this net.
Okay.
I can, I should remember, but I was there.
Uh, and, and more people because I'm, I'm trying to find out, uh, doctors at humanitas hospital.
Cause that's what we're missing right now.
It was brought in the back.
I was like, you gotta be kidding.
If you, if you go read anything about it, I know there's a lot of skeptics out there that would be like, Chris, you're an idiot.
Read the article.
And, uh, his sister, you know, was obviously demanding, um.
And his wife.
It just doesn't make sense.
It spread rapidly through his bloodstream and it produced toxins that affected multiple organs.
Now in the, um, sort of synopsis or, or conclusions and comments that, uh, these doctors give or this doctor here, particularly, uh, Dr.
Janini, the infection likely entered through a minor skin break, as you said, small abrasion, uh, due to possibly he says the nail of the being.
So it has nails.
Yeah.
And displayed unusually aggressive behavior with high virulence and antibiotic resistance.
Here's a notable consideration.
Given the extreme rarity in humans and the unusual aggressive nature of this infection, some have suggested the possibility of a deliberate biological manipulation of this, uh, bacteria, similar to how Komodo dragons use bacteria-laden saliva to weaken prey.
It's the only thing that this doctor can sort of pin.
Yeah.
Is the Komodo dragon, when it bites you, it weakens you due to the bacteria that it has in there.
It was nothing could stop it.
Yeah.
So in the hypothesis, in the hypothesis considered by many, this is the official autopsy involving an encounter with a strange being.
We may suppose that such a being could use this bacteriological weapon.
like potential crash recovery, like a, like a, I call it ET, whatever.
Yeah.
Right.
And the same thing, like in the old version of moment of contact, which is all done.
You know, one thing that we should definitely consider doing is that I should give you the best copy I have of that.
Yeah.
Really good.
Right.
And, uh, what also I think was interesting is that he, he told you that there was a guy with a camera there too.
No, that was, uh.
That's kind of telling.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Probably.
Is it Maryland?
Yeah.
Some of our sources.
not the front, the back. And it was like, that's kind of odd. We didn't know exactly what was
happening. And, and that's when he walks out in his full scrubs. Yeah. He's, he's working in the,
bed. And then he was just like, yeah, the ET was right here in this bed, right here in this room.
I'm like, wait a minute, the video, the ET, what, what? And then it all comes out. Like, yeah, I was
being. And, you know, he goes a quote that stuck with me. We have a lot to learn through
the eyes of that being. And that was just so powerful seeing how emotionally worked up he
you know, 15, 16 years, I, I'm like, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't believe this happened.
Like, what is it, what is it like for you after 29 years to finally get this off your chest?
And he starts to cry. And then, and then we had that moment and he grabs my hands.
comes a lot of perks, including extra episodes, but also, uh, you get to, yeah, you get to appear
on this little board behind me. And here is the first question from Draculich. Okay.
youngest. Cause Katia was 21. Liliani was 16. Her daughter, her daughter, her sister was 14.
I see where you're going. I'm just saying. Dress it up or whatever. Put some makeup on it.
Yeah. But I'm just saying like, that would have been the real life ET.
Or Forrestal.
Yeah. Or Truman.
About the military industrial complex. I mean, that came from somewhere.
You know, one other person that comes to mind is, you know, when I, uh, I told you about
this guy, Jeff Sagansky earlier in the show.
Yeah.
And, uh, Jeff, I had tremendous, I still do. I have, in fact, he just called me a couple
days ago. I needed to call him back. But, uh, he was head of Sony Pictures. He was very
influential behind the scenes, never wanted credit, never wanted a dime.
Um, and one day I asked Jeff Sagansky, Hey, why are you so good to me? Why are you helping
me out? He's like, you know, James, you're a small independent filmmaker. You're one guy
out there trying to like really get to the truth, find out what's going on. I admire
that in you, your tenacity. And I was friends with Jackie Gleason.
Oh, really?
And I said, really? And, uh, not really knowing exactly where this was going to go, but he
goes, yeah, I worked on a, I think he worked on some film with him. I'm not sure which one
it was a while ago, obviously. And, uh, and Jackie Gleason told Jeff Sagansky to his face,
I don't care what anybody tells you about UFOs. I know for a fact they are absolutely real
but he did all, but say that is interestingly enough. So Jackie Gleason.
Cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.