I'm like, oh, James, you know, cause somehow it came up at the conference and we were in a place called Peru Ibi to the south of Sao Paulo.
And he agreed to come meet with us in Sao Paulo, which he did. And then we had FaceTime with him and
And then finally, just recently, a few months ago we went, well, it's funny, actually, we were going from Sao Paulo up to Virginia.
Apparently it was going to go into Sao Paulo, but it didn't.