former CIA officer, the action officer basically in charge of the Bay of Pigs operation, right? So
CIA, but he was operating here. He was part of the plumbers at that time. So Gordon Liddy,
everybody was one big happy family. This guy had the office next to him. Also CIA, also operating
he started telling me his whole life story. He's going into CIA. He's going into this. He's going into that.
knew what had happened to him. And there he was in this tiny firm, right? Having lost his job at CIA.
it and that CIA was somehow involved or at least a branch or a rogue element of CIA.
with a very murky background. We believe he was OSS during the war. Okay. Which was the forerunner of CIA.
kind of a CIA, uh, funded guy. He had been a CIA contract agent for a while. He was not an actual CIA
he was. The only people who ever showed up were FBI, CIA types, right? And he bragged about it,
certain secret societies. And so, and then obviously a lot of the early CIA was sort of skull and bones.
Canada, which was British aircraft and John Frost and in partnership with the American CIA. So you
guess, was a former intelligence officer for somebody, for SBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, didn't matter. Right.
Do you think UFOs can be staged? We've tried it. Wow. Right. CIA even had this idea in their head.
weird for me. Um, there was too much strange stuff going on. There was a CIA component to it,
your hand disappeared. He's talking to us about running operations for the CIA in Lebanon.
Well, operation often all the psychic research they were doing, the occult research CIA was doing.
there that was funded by CIA for a long time. The guy who ran that was the guy who, to go back again
people. You know, you had Jim Semivan, who's high up at the CIA, seems to be super knowledgeable
about UFOs, you know, even at his time at the CIA. And afterwards you have, uh, Chris Mellon,
right? At CIA or any place else, it's really tough to do, right? So then you got to go higher than
I mean, here's somebody very high up at CIA at the time. Right. And this happens. What are the
ranking member of CIA is abducted by an alien. Yeah.
CIA liaison in Hollywood. And it's remarkable because the only reason I bring it up is because
is they were a front. When CIA or somebody wanted to send somebody abroad under a cover as a NOC,
stuff, right? First, look at the documents, look at the stuff that's released by FBI or CIA or the