So I'm here with Peter LaVenda, the author of Sinister Forces, Secret Machines, The Unholy
here today. You're the author of Sinister Forces, Secret Machines, Man, Gods, and War,
or scripted, an idea you explore in Sinister Forces. You talk about all these kind of
really in the very beginning of the Sinister Forces research, which goes all the way back
Sinister Forces. The idea that governments and religion could somehow get together in such a way
I talk about in sinister forces, right? You have these disparate individuals. You think they have
started writing Sinister Forces. How do these fantasies influence our actual everyday lives,
in, uh, secret machines. Yeah. Excuse me. Sinister forces. Yep.
Too many books getting confused, but in, uh, sinister forces, there's just one chapter on,
Well, the whole, the whole point of sinister forces was that there are sinister forces.
Right. But these sinister forces are such that to, um, to equate them with, how shall I put it?
say that exactly? You think, you think secret machines and sinister forces, it's all, it's all
if any of that was really real. And when I was starting to write sinister forces, I said, let me
of the scapegoating cycles to the point where if there are sinister forces going on above our heads,
Congress. This is why I wrote sinister forces, right? Because every time I turn around, we think