about UFOs, you know, even at his time at the CIA. And afterwards you have, uh, Chris Mellon,
must be longer than that now. Uh, with Tom DeLonge. Yeah. Chris Mellon, Hal Puthoff,
And Chris Mellon, right. Who I met for the first time. And we sat, we spent the entire day here
Chris, Hal, Jacques said nothing. And then Hal finally looked around and said, well,