about privacy, autonomy, or just don't want to be the training data for the next AI overlord,
Pull back. Don't do this stuff. But they ignored him, right? Did all this thing.
I don't really know if I 100 percent trust it or believe it. I know that E. Howard Hunt
Can I weave something together? And I don't know if this is the case, but like, you know,
Eve. These people don't do New Year's Eve that way normally, right? There's big parties and there's
She's fascinated by the Russian language. She's a Quaker who wants to study Russian. Don't think
Uh, we don't know all that was discussed, but we do know now we have scraps of correspondence
Do not, you know, get involved in this thing. You don't know how bad that's going to be for you.
You know, distance yourself as much as possible. Don't give interviews, et cetera, et cetera. Right.
Right. Ask the question. Nobody ever asked the question. They don't follow up with her at all.
Yeah. But there's also, don't you connect like the Maury Island incident?
And they think Fred Krisman was one of those hobos. I don't know if you corroborated that at all,
said, why don't you come down? We're going to talk to these guys. And Arnold shows up and there's no
That's where we deep dive into all sorts of crazy topics that we don't have time to fit into every
people are really crazy. We don't, we can't make heads or tails of this. We're dropping it. And then
at St. Patrick's Cathedral. We know the people at St. Patrick's. Why don't we just go down there
God knows who else, they're all going to be in this room. I don't think so. He says, no, let's,
I don't know. Uh, you're not on the list, but you know, come by and then if we can get you in,
If you're Catholics, any of you listening, you know, you don't go on the other side of the communion rail,
I mean, you could look and you can see these guys don't belong where they are.
don't come back again. You know, that was brother Victor, another whole story. The other church was
that you do to make this change official, to call down the forces to make this happen. They don't know it
middle of all of this stuff. But I don't know what's related to the Kennedy assassination at all. I have
him after that. We don't know. Never heard from him again.
that room because it's just your family. They don't have, believe me, the wherewithal to carry on a
this. That's how off the charts insane it becomes. Cause they're looking at us like, don't think so.
I really don't think so, but thanks for coming in. Uh huh.
go off the deep end for, if you're already weak, if you're already kind of, you don't have critical
thinking ability. Um, you don't have a lot of, you know, psychological strength, let's say. Yeah. From
even if we don't believe in the fantastic, but we're in, we swim in a sea of fantasies,
define, I don't like the word occultism because it sounds like Marxism or capitalism. Like it sounds like
but there's always that point at which, you know, we don't know. There's always that point where you,
I don't know, they wear that sort of fake garb or whatever, then, uh, it would be sort of inherently
uh, around 2000. I don't remember 2007, eight, nine, something like that. You're early 2000s.
It would be really cool. I don't think so. No, but what you're talking about,
Yeah. I don't really either.
And so, you know, I don't know. Is it, is there anything there?
that's pulling on a whole bunch of threads that you don't, we really don't have time for.
where shots were fired from a grassy knoll. We don't know how many shots were fired. There's
Don and Baron Trump and their time traveling adventures, which is a book that was written,
all the rest of it, right? In this impossible place. They have a series of calendars, right? They don't use
something off, right? So they don't measure time the same way that we're measuring it by solar and lunar
Tibet-India-Indonesia connection that's very strong. So we don't know all the details on this very well,
Well, let's, yeah, we reached out. I mean, I don't know how Tom does what Tom does.
tribes are looking at this thing and they're saying, God damn, we don't know that this, that you could
he's on land with these people. Right. Doesn't want to eat or drink. We don't even know if he's
It's exactly the same design, you know, so we don't know what that means because that design is
but the fact that they would, because you don't have a telescope, you have to sit there and watch it
about the other planets, you have to notice that there is certain planets that don't stay in the same
you're keeping track of the background stars that don't move, right? Or they move like in a circular motion.
we try to make it a couple of times. I hope I don't bore anybody with it is the fact that everybody has
kind of distracted by the Hugo boss outfits. You know, we get distracted by things that we don't
but the documents don't lie. It's just a question. Do you interpret them the same way?
Okay. Okay. We have to define our terms. There's so many terms in that sentence. I don't know where to
Nordics. We don't belong in this situation that we're in. You know, we're in this, we lost the
based on the information that we have. And that is something that people don't realize. We think of
what we think was a prototypical flying saucer. The amount of, I mean, the problem is we don't know
flying saucer. We don't know how far they got. And then Annie Jacobson writes about in her book,
definitely not human. And so those two things just don't line up or comport at all. Obviously,
We don't have a lot of evidence to, to, to, to enlarge it, but we do have the idea that if you
the Nazis against the communists instead of the other way around. Um, so I don't know. I, I, I, it's,
you know, um, with, with the space program. So we really don't want to piss off the Nazis that much,
that story doesn't seem that likely it would, we would have done something with it. Don't tell me
but we don't know how to, you know, fly them perfectly or so? I don't know.
Do you, so, so, so this is a point to say that you don't think we are in possession of saucers and
don't have it, why can't you discuss it? Why can't you just say no?
Lie to me again and say, no, we don't have a saucer.
Don't leave it open-ended.
Don't leave it like, maybe, you know, we have a flying saucer.
I don't get it. Why, but I know he still goes on Gaia and talks about six different races of aliens.
And people are like, wow. And insiders telling us, you don't know the history, but, um, but do you,
were doing this, this kind of thing. So the idea is we create an image just brief. We don't need it
with the occult context for it. Right. So they're going to do it this way. You know, I don't know what
they've studied since, since that time. I don't know if they've gotten far enough to say I can make this
go off and found a cult. We don't know. Right. Maybe they've gotten that far to realize that they can
I don't know. We have these words for it and that's where we get lost when we start doing that.
probably viewers have seen, heard this before, but I'll make it brief. Um, don't make it brief.
no, I'm sorry. I don't know. Okay. Thank you. And they got into their car and pulled out and drove
following the other car. I just want to follow the first car. And so I'm like flummoxed. I don't know
right? I don't know. I was like, what the hell was this about? Right? It was just the mysterious
of course there's tourists there, but people don't, they're not touchy feely in that part of the world.
Yeah. Weird. So you're asking me about NHI and stuff. I don't know how to answer that question.
something out? And I don't have anything that, you know, a couple of TVs in my computer and that's
And Whitley said, don't worry about it. It's just the visitors saying, hello, just, you know, saying,
just passing through, you know, that's all it is. Don't worry about it. So then years after that,
light, but I don't see what it's looking at. There's no light on the ground, right? I'm looking
which shouldn't have been because domestic operations and all that stuff. I don't know
So he's saying, don't worry about what Congress does or doesn't do. It doesn't have any effect on
You guys don't need to worry about anything. I'm listening to this and I'm thinking, should I be
listening to this? Should I be in the room with this discussion? I don't know what the hell is going on
just maybe, I don't know, three or four years later, I suppose, there's this phone number you
full. And he says, these guys are acquiring them. He says, but I have doubts about these guys. I don't
me to some problems. So could you go and spy on them? They've never seen you. They don't know what
I'm a book lover from day one. So you don't do this to books, right? You don't strip. I don't write
thought should be saved from the fire that I would take responsibility for. I don't know where he got them,
no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't be serious. And I said, I don't know. Am I serious about what?
that they were running. Where they, what they did with the money, I don't know, but they did get
a portal to other dimensions. And you found it and it, and what's, I don't know if it's it. I mean,
The story has been around. I don't know who's promulgated it, but it's been around. So yeah, that,
Dr. Randall Bell, okay. I don't believe that Hitler was really an occultist. I make that point in
Unholy Alliance. I try to make it really firmly. I don't think Hitler was an occultist per se,
at all. I don't see Hitler in a robe, you know, casting spells. No, never going to happen.
this kind of went together in his own mind. I don't believe that Hitler saw himself as an
strands of the DNA molecule, double stranded helixes don't exist in nature, except for the DNA molecule,
but they don't exist in visible nature. They're not part of our world. Single helix, a helix does,
the problem that I have. So I don't have a problem with Jewish mystics. What I'm saying is that Jewish
Um, and he also like the miracles ramp up in the book of Acts. Yes. So, but like, I don't know. I
one at the time of Jesus life. And we don't actually know, uh, because nobody was nobody who wrote a
together a story and as I always tell people, we still don't know what was on the 18 and a half
minute oval office tape gap during Watergate. We still don't know that. How do we know what happened?
imaginary answer. Right. Right. When you don't have a real answer, something you can agree on,
because the government, you know, we don't trust the government. Yeah. The government's not telling
thing is ridiculous, you know, I'm with, I don't have any serious, but you know, it's like, I've spoken
Well, don't let me forget them because you mentioned MJ 12.
I don't believe in any of that. He says, what we meant by that was anything that came down
a kind of meme. So do you, so you don't think it was a hoax. I see. Again, I work on evidence.
Paul Jayne- Yeah. But Skinwalker Ranch became this thing. We don't, this was fight club. And we suddenly,
we don't talk about it. Right. So that stunned me. I wrote, I copied this. Oh my God, we can't talk
say to the right people, you don't get the right information. And the re the reverse of that,
you know, people that we need to be focused on this are not because they don't have the clearances
it ain't much. I don't think there is a lot that they know.
I think they have evidence. They don't know what to do with it.
I don't think there was a great defense against it. Um, so.
It's, it's, they don't care. Suddenly all of our problems, you know, that famous book, the bell curve,
Can you define your terms, please? I don't know what I'm talking about.
We think we know what that word means, but as we find with biblical scholarship, we really don't.
development, right? But in, in terms of purely biblical origins, I don't think we have much in
But I don't know how real it is.
I don't think they're formal.
I don't think they're formal. I think there are, these are groups that come together and kind of
So there's a whole story there, I suppose. But from my point of view, I don't think these groups are as,
This guy was con. And he said, no, we don't, you're not supposed to learn about this. This is what
lived up to my expectations. Um, I don't want to say anything negative about people you've had on,
the traditionalists don't have an answer to that fundamental question.
They did well, right. When everybody else suffered. And so I don't want to go back to any of those golden
it was, we already have it. It's all around us. We've got it in our hands. We don't know how to use it.
We don't know how to look at it. You know, we're, we're too divided in so many different ways, you
it's always been there. It's always been accessible. I don't want to go to a golden age. I want to go
and you have this, the special power. And that just, uh, I don't know, that seems like a sort of
15 years or so, they haven't yet defined what it is they're looking for. They don't know. Right.
take the nuts and bolts guys and you push them a little bit and they don't know what they're
behind it and long history in front of it on the other side. At this point, I don't know what's going
that they were doing with us at that point. After that, I don't, I lost track of the, of the trail
don't have 13 floors, but ours did. And so we're on floor 13. And the Field Engineering Division was
So I don't know. I think the, I think the broadcast with Knapp was after me. I don't know if he was at,
I don't know if he was Area 51 while I was at Bendix or not. I left Bendix in 79, I think. So I don't
before working for Area 51, ostensibly, right? Because you don't blow the whistle on Area 51 and
It's just, it's interesting. The thing is that, you know, I don't know how well.
things and even the kids, their stories don't match all the time, right? They're seeing little things,
big things. They're talking about different sizes and shapes. That's data. That's not, we don't
maintain a sense of humor about it. Don't take it too seriously. Don't take the, the, the completely
combating positions, the, the positions at, at opposite ends, don't take it as, um, written in stone.
today may give up and say, tomorrow I was wrong. It's possible. So don't put too much worth,
together in a different way to get at the truth? Don't invest, I would say, your soul into this so much
but I don't know if that's popular anymore, but you're going to take it apart in pieces.
still incorporating stuff that I'm like, I don't know if this is true. This is, you know,
their amusement because you know, they're old guys, they're celibate, they don't drink. So what are
before you get to the second level. So these things happen. This is life. When things don't smell
I mean, I, I don't really give detailed instructions for that. There are no real details for it. It's a
Substack. That's where we deep dive into all sorts of crazy topics that we don't have time to fit into