area 51 many times. Uh, you have Hal Puthoff, of course, who's, you know, Institute of advanced
must be longer than that now. Uh, with Tom DeLonge. Yeah. Chris Mellon, Hal Puthoff,
Jacques Vallée, all in the same room for me, it was a thrill because I had never met Hal or Jacques before.
Chris, Hal, Jacques said nothing. And then Hal finally looked around and said, well,
the United States military. I mean, Hal Puthoff also went on Joe Rogan a few months ago and said,
Yeah. Because Hal never exaggerated anything as far as I am. He was very cautious kind of guy,
Really weird science. So when he comes out and says something like that, Hal, of all people, Hal said it.
wow, Hal is saying this. He's, what is he saying? Yeah. He's extremely interesting. He's told me