you have to look to some of these more esoteric practices and you have in Judaism, the Merkava,
it can happen that way. The, the, the Merkava mystics did it right. They, they're living proof
if you're interested in Merkava or, or Kabbalah and you hear that, like, you know, it's not something
background, Merkava mysticism is one of those systems, right? It may, you may find it culturally
try Merkava, you know, stuff. No, they're not going to tell you that. So you have to be