Jacques Vallée is roughly kind of Gnostic in his orientation. So do you think that we're living in
famous movie, the ninth gate, which is also, I think Jacques Vallée's favorite movie.
Jacques Vallée, all in the same room for me, it was a thrill because I had never met Hal or Jacques before.
Vallée may have mentioned it even in his last latest book, maybe mentioned it in passing. And, you know,