dude so this morning i watched your movie oh wow the new movie it's fresh yeah i like to keep it
talking about that being it was like that what he described is like exactly what you would imagine
or exactly what a spielberg movie scene would be in this scenario right it's this he described this
said there was nothing evil nothing malevolent and it was just there with us and it was calm and the
military person and takes it away and then like he started crying about it you could really and then
he also said it was like an angel you know uh people have criticized i've gotten a little
it's like we're trying to track down the video that's like the holy grail right
we hear the doctor well god it might have been a year and a half ago at this point
and and it makes sense because we have all this testimony leading up to regional hospital then we've
the capture the the girls like all that stuff lines up perfectly that it was at regional hospital
and took one look he's like i don't know what the hell that thing is but get it out of here and they
left and they went to regional hospital got it so so we heard about this dr italo character
the squeaky wheel and we ultimately get a meeting with him and marco puts it on zoom video zoom call
this guy because i'm thinking either he has a copy or he could lead us to who shot it and who has the copy
while i'm doing it i was in vermont and um and he confesses that having seen the video on video and i
know because it's a big development for me right the first time i'm talking to a neurosurgeon who
with him and questions him some more and it's like pushes them further and he denies having seen the
respond then he wouldn't respond it was like he wanted to engage with us but he was just like
the the implications of it he's a current neurosurgeon even to this day he's a neurosurgeon
it's pretty clear the military put the kibosh down and all this stuff
i've never seen anything like it prior and everything anything like it before he gave us the full detail
and he's like yeah with the americans it's all in portuguese i'm picking out a little bit
and he starts talking initially about the video and i think he just said fuck it you know i think
he just decided right there on the spot i'm going full monty and he's like yeah it was in and i it
caught me off guard i mean the whole thing's captured on on camera yeah you know and it was like
happening rather quickly and it's happening in portuguese and i speak french and i speak a little
i mean when i focus on a different language i don't care if it's chinese or like russian you know
hold on a second i was trying to process it in the icu i was like did this wait the video wait the
creature was this is the very bed like right it all happened right here yes and then he just dropped the
his twilight years like it doesn't make any sense what makes sense right before he's about to retire
it happened and the younger generation needs to know this is what's happening i shared a clip with your
partner that i haven't shared it you can play it if you want but it's of him just a statement that he
i've been working on it for nine months yes you have no idea what i've been doing to make this
but he's coming i bought his ticket i got his visa got his passports all it's all it's all approved
he's all ready to go all ready to go it took me i've been working on it for about eight months are
one right here that's the one all right give us some volume steve give us some volume and back it up
go for it i swear that i will share that is the truth and nothing but the truth
getting there i realized it was being not a being not of this planet i was called to give my opinion
on the case accessing it medically assessing it conscious no pain no bleeding breathing well
front of me it's important to highlight this is not about money this is what changes the very concept
to see another patient and i saw it it's important for people to know this
those who say they've seen a spacecraft we really saw it it's not easy to be here on camera talking about
this they ask and ask and it feels like we are lying having to insist i have sworn i saw it and i did
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it's the one that did the tissue samples of the deceased military after that why
never seen anything like it since or before thousands and thousands and thousands of studies
hospital okay this meeting was unprecedented it just happened a couple weeks ago so for people that
that captured the alien when it was running around town yeah and he grabbed it with his bare hands and
threw in the back of a police car he had back of a cop it actually was not a it was a car one of
puts it in the back of the car i was told even on his lap by one of the one of the brazilian
researchers new eric lopes but i'm not sure about that takes it to a clinic and the clinic doctor came
out saw the creature and was like i don't know what that thing is get it out of here and then he
ultimately takes it to a regional hospital where he drops it off and then dr italo was on duty that
room right they said it was white too yeah it was exactly in that well let's say the operating room
of the uh it was the icu yeah icu yeah so anyway um i don't know man one can speculate but the girl
said it was cowering it was afraid it was suffering that she said that it was really because january is
summertime in brazil that it was really really hot and that the skin was just like it looked like it was
really suffering out in this maybe it's some sort of defensive measure where this it extreme excretes
bodily fluids out the skin and that smells does it turn brown from the hot sun i have no idea and it
reeks of sulfur and ammonia yeah it reeked of sulfur and ammonia so but anyway so marco shriez
gets this infection he gets a scratch under his armpit and it wasn't like the creature tried to kill him
it was just like he grabbed it and he got a scratch under the armpit and dr janini who saw the older
important because it brought all the doctors together all the doctors wives together were in a relaxed
environment and talking about it's like do you believe this guy how long have you known him
if he says i mean i just don't see why he would make this up dude it's so crazy to me like what like
and it crashed you and it crashed you like do you have conversations with those guys about this
stuff i do it's really you know my life has been really weird these last couple years my family life
it's like if you can imagine witnessing a really crazy murder right and you're a witness to it do you just
like let it go right or do you feel like this burning desire to let the world know it's not
truth you know it's not like that because i hate people that prophesize and go around it's like you
know people that are vegetarians like yeah i don't eat meat it's like shut the hell up you do you let
but what do you do like i feel like if this story is true and i'm ready to put my life on it that it is
and i totally understand when i see the level of skepticism with people like ah it's a bridge too far i get
it believe me i get it but i'm like if this happened would you consider this a significant
it's happened and i can't let it go i can't i can't do it so so it's really frustrating because
i go to sleep thinking about it i wake up thinking about it and i and at some point
i i can't you know i can't let it destroy me you know what i mean right i'm doing the best i can to
get it out there and at the end of the day i'm it's all i can do and i'm hoping that other younger
know where the debris was talking and blah blah blah blah and it's like we need that but i need help
honestly maybe the first cut moment of contact which was very compelling right i mean it's very but
testimony i can't say it's ironclad he doesn't have a video but he's this is extremely credible
about this stuff to me like there's an irony to it where it's like most folks distrust the authority of
the government right like if you look at the history of the united states it's spotty to say
that level of trust and i put out a video i didn't give it to your guy i put out a video this was
having his back it was uh it was like um you had all of our backs so i was just like you know i was like
that's so there's that trust you know i'm saying that trust has to happen and it's like you know
and getting in with their families i can't even describe to you guys like what it's what it's like
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like it can't be therefore it isn't and uh and i just say to people like don't take it from me just
stuff like that and i get it it's guys in suits part of the it's good it's well done it's very good
but beautifully polished and it's high level and the statements made at the highest levels are let's
rounds and i mean they're dude you know it's pretty incredible right but you don't have you don't have
that case right because it's like you've got allegations of crash retrieval and all the
united states this happened in brazil right now it involved the us and we didn't learn that till late
it the americans can just fly in and grab whatever they want i have no idea and they asked to some
and it's so funny too because honestly with our foyer requests i kind of thought they were going to yield
some results i mean why not it's just a flight log right nothing to see here right just a flight log
out and i knew it was going to be an ongoing investigation like you put a film out and more
a photograph i put it out there a while ago i didn't don't think i made it into either cut of
the film because we were we were doing background on it but anyway he made the suggestion he goes put
trying to do all this research the person whose finger it is is a brazilian person and we've been
the flight logs and i figured well let me give it a wide window so i think i went i think i went from
like february 10th zoom out a little i'm sorry january 10th 1996 to january 28th 1996 and it took three
years to get a response but the response came from the cia it's in the movie yeah the response came
it to one agency and this in the cia responds three years later i thought so and they were like your
1949 you know national security act whatever you're there therefore your request is denied it's in the
movie that's crazy i don't know man it just seems so crazy so on a black hawk helicopter well i heard
that sees aliens you know nobody wants that in their life it's not a career enhancing move but we've
we kept doing this for year after year after year and then finally last year i think it was january of
house and i think it was like maybe five o'clock in the evening and we were on our way to go to
individual that ran it spoke a little english and he was like you know we were clearly foreigners
of wine we hung out with the owner it was beautiful it was really fun but it put us in later than we
would then we would have then we should have been but it just happened that way so then we drive
pedro's house the former chief chief of police seven hours no sorry just a where it was i mean i
weren't even going to stop for pizza i think it was like a bathroom break something anyway we ended up
having pizza it was like a 90 minute stop we show up at his house he had just arrived 10 minutes earlier
and chopping it up with him a little bit and i'm off in the distance i'm looking over like oh my god
okay just eased it in here comes the dave come on dave like and um start filming a little bit now his
little table to the right if you're looking at the couch it was to the right and his wife was sitting
starts giving an interview and then he's like i participated and then he's like yeah it just starts
coming out it's coming out dude and we ask him on camera like why are you coming out now he goes
and and he starts talking and then he's like yeah i saw the creature it had a blanket over it but i went
into as a military base and everything that he said that he saw it as a military base is exactly lined up
yeah man landing who is it clinton was the president then clinton was the president back then yeah i know
god no it's like i mean he probably was kept out of the loop i'm guessing i don't know you know
speaking of clinton when i was investigating the phoenix lights case it happened in march 13th 1997.
90s i think it was 89 90 91 you had you had all the belgian stuff that was going on those big platform
at this party i got invited to and it was a barbecue and this girl knew what i was doing
that night uh it was march 13th 1997 and remember everyone was out under the night sky to get a
force base that night and i was like oh my god what did you see he goes well let's put it this way
it it's a certain uh defcom and i i'm sorry to your audience that's way more well versed than this
he went to he said we went to full defcom two i think it was it was one or two it was when you have
right it has to be look it has to be treated as hostile because it doesn't it's not identifying
itself and it's this massive and it was like they scrambled military jets to go after and we went to
yeah defcon 1 means nuclear war is imminent so it's one step below okay so it's defcom 2 i'm
have talked about it on the podcast i don't know and nothing nothing included in my film out of the
blue and i did another film about it uh i know what i saw which covered that case and the governor
i think he was flying an f-16 at luke air force base maybe there was two that went after it that
it was so big that they could have landed on it yes and that the pilot had to be lifted out of the
cockpit so what i heard after the i guess he scrambled it to go get it and it took off like warp speed like
something out of star wars so and the governor five simonton also told me they took a run at it
that they scrambled jets and took a run at it and the pentagon air force base all told them they have
no idea what that object was what does that mean they could run at it they they scrambled jets try to
intercept it oh i see but so then i found out that's that that clinton was i don't know if he was
playing golf or he was doing something you can look it up that he suddenly got grabbed on an island
and i guess if you go to defcom 2 the president would have to be notified you'd have to look it up
states would have to be notified look it up google it so this is the same night as the phoenix lights
yeah yeah yeah it was it was march 13th 1997 most so if i if i recall correctly virginia was 96. if i
of the phoenix so why they call it the phoenix lights i said what mike what's what why are you so
hostile what what's going on he goes it wasn't lights dude it was a massive craft i saw it with my own
eyes i watched it with my wife for minutes like so it was one well there were a bunch of different
sightings that night it was okay there were balls there were there were boomerang shape but the one
saw this craft including the governor of five simonton said it was so big it had to be from another
yes and that was a that was a boomerang shape it was a like a yeah like a big massive boomerang okay
and um it was like like like like this and moving very slowly i interviewed a whole family stacy rhodes
dude it looked like a floating city i was lying on my back on the front lawn and i could see compartments
and they said they could see he goes i thought it was going to land at the sky harbor airport like
it was so low and so slow it was just i interviewed these hospice workers i think there was five of them
the mountain so they were really close they're right at the base because it flew right over this
particular mountain oh it'll come to me but anyway i interviewed all these hospice workers and this is
funny actually because they all saw they were out having tea and i don't know what time it was maybe
it was seven o'clock 7 30 whatever late in the afternoon early evening and uh and um they said
they were like well had we not looked up we wouldn't have even known it was there i mean
it just was so silently right over our heads and we watched it for several minutes we stopped our
and then it passes overhead and they go right back to having tea and i went uh excuse me you didn't like
go grab a camera call 911 jump in your car chase after it they're like nope and i thought to myself
it's almost like ontological shock like certain people have certain experiences where they just go
that can't that did they can't even process it right because who in their right mind would have
right back to having tea which is the oddest thing like i i can't wrap my mind around it most people
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that's wild but but but but i think about it this way you got david grush and you could believe him
him you could think he's crazy it's all fine all the smartest people i know on this topic they all say
he's super legit yeah so all right and some people just say that okay whatever it doesn't matter but
don't you think the media should pick that ball up and run with it i mean what happens right what
happens when somebody makes allegations of sexual palcadillos with a president dude it's all hands on
they can testify under oath not in a skiff because everyone's frustrated everyone's had it with the skiffs
right it's the people how about we create a platform that enables them to give the specific details
transparency in government you want transparent uap dude it's the most popular thing out there
everyone would love to know that it's real right and of course i happen to just so happen to
right right that's one of the things that i wanted to kind of cover was it he stripped of his retirement
point is is that let's not believe them right let's chase it down why not the the implications are
day person who does is going to have balls of steel like of course it's it's risky but like imagine
whoever you're you're the gatekeeper you're the gatekeeper is it is it a great idea to throw eric
least right okay but i've also heard that they can they can because it's a national security issue
but i mean it would certainly validate what he's saying did that like absolutely i i agree yeah i
agree but wouldn't it be better to do it the more legit route and also i don't know i think i don't
justifications for secrecy that i agree with like let's just imagine whether you believe it or you don't
believe it okay let's just say that we did have recovered craft of non-human origin right and we've
technology now i'm not saying we've successfully reverse engineered it i have no idea okay but if they
have it and if they are trying to reverse engineer it i don't know about you but i damn straight
wouldn't want russia or china to get their hands on that technology and reverse engineer it because sure
they put a bomb on it and it's game over for us right so i could see that i don't agree with it
but i could see that being a legit reason for national security on the technology maybe it's the
admission that we have it and we share the bodies the biologics do you see what i'm saying totally
damn straight i would i should be entitled to know yeah they're doing it with our taxpayer dollars
god it was like so crazy so i can't go to the reason why i ended up in the arrow excuse me for
to look at a specific case that i'm familiar with i reported on it a bunch of times and they had some
how recent was this last about a year ago a little over a year ago yeah so after kirkpatrick yeah it
was in december of i think it was december of 2024 so it was a little over a year ago because it was
then i had to show up and it was escort required then i got this little badge then i i i i walked through
walked through this it was like star trek it was like a glass tube i'd say about that i want to say
about maybe that big around maybe seven or eight feet tall or maybe it went up higher and one and
grabs the door close it my face i was like i kind of looked like sorry what am i supposed to do here
a computer right there it was a computer and i i wish i could remember the name of the of the
access point but it was intel folks it told me where the high-res photos and videos were it was
that computer damn it it's in it's in the program i'm sorry i can't oh there's like a special computer
multiple intel folks and it was that it was right there and i was looking at he i was like oh what's
that you know he goes oh that's the skipscom or whatever the hell it's called i'm sorry i can't
have to stop all of your investigations and all your documentaries moving forward i wouldn't do it you
wouldn't do it no i wouldn't do it you're a good man not for all the good not for all the money in
like and i started rattling off cases and one of them was like you know james it's kind of funny uh
socorro closing counts of the third kind because it's one thing just talk about unknown objects you know in
it's a different story man it's a whole nother level that's one of the things that doesn't get
addressed often enough right and i tell people all the time because it's like you know you got close
documented close and counts of the third kind in the 50s right and they were putting it off as like
basically telling me dude my hands are tied i doesn't matter what i determine it doesn't matter
what i uncover you know and i've had other members that i kept to remain nameless that it's so weird
one time can i say i heard it anonymously they'll know exactly what it came from so the stuff that
it going to hurt i'm not going to stop doing what i'm doing right i'm not going to like i'm never
public i will always do that and i'll be straight with you guys and i don't get it right sometimes
i accidentally exposed him it was stupid my mistake i did it but so initially i just he wasn't even
there's some stuff embedded i even talked to some people about it that was there are specific memories
point which movie was this in the program this was in the program okay okay watch it free online
on that but for now it's on amazon linked below yes find it yeah so uh what was i getting at and look
a lot of people right now including yourself even if it's true if i were you i would keep it to myself
about it publicly never yeah just about never and you know why that's a that's a slippery slope well
yeah it's a there's a i'm i imagine censoring myself because i know how that you don't want to
know how the hell it worked out i worked my ass off i don't always get it right i try to get it right
field that's all you can do that is all you can do and be honest open and honest about it which you
let's talk man i'll chop it up with you yeah sure that's amazing man you know i mean why not and it's
it should be yeah it should be the same in this in this field like hey man you think uh it's alien
okay yeah right you know i'm just saying like we're cool right you know right right i'm good with it
all haven't seen the bean actually six the former chief of police saw it too under a tarp and oh really
i was like one that said he thought it was like a burned man yeah and you'd mentioned spielberg
oh yeah this is really good it's delicious yeah it's really good white rabbit baby
i mean so um getting back to what i was saying yeah right um it's okay to say i don't know where
these come from it's okay to say i don't know what the hell is going on it's okay to say that
forward and there's clearly a phenomenon happening globally it's under intelligent control and it's
okay to say we don't know where it's from i think it's okay because i don't know i'd like to know oh
screening the the premiere the world premiere well i guess it wasn't the world premiere because that
was in texas but it was one of the premieres in uh on an aircraft carrier oh yes for the age of
disclosure he invited me to that and i couldn't i couldn't make it because i had obligations with my
which i probably shouldn't mention his name you'll probably figure it out probably shouldn't but we
q a afterwards which i attended and it was great and it's an accomplishment man look i i'd love to
say that i've got how many was it 34 high level military and government intelligent officials that's
same kind of suits that it looked like part of the uap task force so when i went into the skiff with
crash in front of jane to brazil and the guy goes oh no oh we we know all about it we've been following
had a cocktail and it looked like a whiskey on the rocks and so i ordered a whiskey neat
and uh we start chopping it up excuse me and um i said uh i said you know i've heard that there are
know i'm just curious even if i can't share it with the world i still want to know yeah and uh this
individual is like yeah probably 10 probably 10 people that have the bigger picture it's like 10
no no you'll you'll you'll you'll be fine we'll be fine so i was like well and it was like a crowbar
how how how is it scary the individual goes intent their intent and i was like oh their intent like
and that was it was over that was it as far as i got yeah so when you asked him that you heard there
was some something scary yeah because i've heard what have you heard i've heard that it's a little scary
right because it's like origins and intent right we want another origins and intent their origins could
be here i mean it could be just like that's what i think now could be that's what that's what i
it on the blackjack table i would bet that it was they were from here they're they're there because
evolved on another another goldilocks planet there's no shot it would look like us bipedal upright hominids
to me that i've heard before and that is and it makes you wonder i don't know i just makes you wonder
all take place 1994 i think it was okay i'm pretty sure it was 24. it's in the movie the program you
can again watch it for free on youtube movies but um he said that the individual had or the eyes were
insane as everybody says and maybe jay sands is lying i i i don't know it's hard to believe look at that
you just get lost and the eyes just lock you in and you feel like it's almost they take over your brain
encounter and if the other people that we have their names if we had that encounter and we got it i
encounter in the convoy yeah i did i got in touch with that individual wouldn't i just was like did it
happen or it didn't happen i'm not going to verify anything for you on or off the record done like
it was just like that's it so then i asked the other individual that got me to that individual
and i was like i don't know what to do like what do i do what you know do you think it out of
frustration i'm like do you think it happened or not long pause yeah i think it happened and then i but
then i um was listening to age of disclosure and it got to james clapper yeah it was he dia or
and i think di i i don't know all i know he was involved in some crazy yeah it's high level
activity happening there close and counts of the third kind and i it's not the first time that i've
it from other people that have been james clapper is a weird one i've heard a lot of um yeah i mean
can you find jesse michaels just retweeted something i think it was yesterday oh that was uh grush saying
that clapper is involved in all this stuff and like he's showing up to the hearings it's like
that's crazy by the way but that's not what i was no that's not it this was like yesterday jesse
retweeted it and wrote like uh shots fired above it yeah yeah keep going yeah i saw that keep going
i saw that i saw that tweet keep going no this is not it i don't think there you go shots fired that's
what it is david grush tells megan kelly that james clapper managed the ufo crash retrieval issue while
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never to be trusted you're just hard it's harder to believe those people that's what i'm saying so
it's like they're stuck yes how do you do it yes so you say hey i'm willing to put my my right hand
world and then tell me who was it where is it where's the craft where's this where's the bodies
tell me more yeah you know i'm saying because we owe it to ourselves it's like it's so easy to sit on
the sidelines and go jason sands is full of shit well all it takes is one member of congress with a
because it's so easy for people to call the neurosurgeon a liar the girl's a liar the crash
we have military x i know all of his credentials i know his full name who drove it and saw it then we
me he's telling the truth i said how do you know he's telling the truth amara witnessed it i witnessed it
marco witnessed it our translators witnessed it because and she was shaking like this telling the
it was funny actually because we sat down with him i think we had to go up to brazilia at one point but uh
a question about it like what what that was on camera probably i'd have to look or maybe it was
said maybe it was setting up to it but in any case that would have been worth the whole sit down
but anyway but anyway at the end of it and i swear on my life this is true
fuck it i'll take what i can get so i was begging him like please i mean i remember joking describing
and i and he goes it happened clicked the door off he went never obviously i never included that in
makes you go i think we got something here yeah it's you know what i mean it's very but i mean i
i am i am right there with you man i'm i believe it i believe this with every fiber of my being but my
thing about these things is the intent and on the other hand you have the neurosurgeon saying it was an
angel saying it was it was almost like an he was he was like an angel yeah what do you make of that
we're talking about socorro new mexico 1964 close encounter of the third kind my point is this it's
like what i know i know because of my personal i didn't read it out of a book like i actually go to
reaction when he got to yeah and i met the other witnesses that were with him too right i mean it
josh gates was with me when it happened with with travis he just was like we were like hello you're
you okay there buddy like hello we were interviewing a woman emma something i have it on tape and all of
a sudden she just stopped it was right when she got to the point of contact allegedly with in ruins
zimbabwe with the creatures she just went blank and it was almost like they were reliving it you know
you a video steve yeah continue it's all good when you look at carlos de souza look at it carefully
incredibly frustrating i was thinking this is not off to a good start but it had been 26 years but
when he finally we finally found the impact site there was a moment it's very brief and i don't
even know if it's a second long or if it's a second half but you can see his eyes almost like a blank
stare and he's just re you could what it looks like as a viewer to me is that he's reliving it and he's
seen it as it was all those years earlier like he was reliving that experience and he just kind of
witnesses to rua where they're in the middle of describing the face-to-face contact and it's like
those people are telling the truth or maybe they're all lying i highly doubt it but if they are they
picked him up in a very remote area of the mountains i mean dude i've been there a couple times it's very
he would have died if it would have put him back where they scooped him up right five days later they
put him in a little area where it was a dip down in on the outskirts of town right close to a phone booth
then i think about betty and barney hill okay think about that case was it 61 in new hampshire
fascinating case very compelling stanton freeman looked into it extensively he thought there was some
frieden talked all about it and he was very impressed but uh you know different the way they looked the
right like maybe it's all of the above right i again i don't know i'd like to know but maybe
sky in the middle of the desert sometime that's a big damn universe right i mean it's huge i mean the
there's a phenomenon right here that's interacting with us it's always been around and i believe that too
time travelers maybe it's all the above honestly mate i really don't know i'd love to know but maybe
sometimes i lean in that direction too maybe it is all the above right could be i mean why not
because he always goes you know oh you're you know you can't just quickly default to it's alien
have at it i'll provide a platform earlier we got to say but like you know what i liked about
virginia is the girls were like i don't really know what the hell this thing was it wasn't human
i'll tell you that much it was under intelligent it was it was an intelligent being that was communicating
so that's what that's what it reminded me of dude okay so check this out so last visit just a couple
brazil just recently and i got statements and i did it in conjunction with the town mayor gave me an
if i'd helped that creature because it wanted help and she was locked in the eyes of that creature
in you know 10 feet whatever yeah broad daylight in that field little field they ran away after it had a
had a cinder block wall and it was crouched against the cinder block wall feeble suffering like weak
got their attention it was about three o'clock in the afternoon hot day sunny summer they saw like some
and then they see what they thought was like is that a statue like what the hell is that it was some
kind of creature slouched down against the wall they were looking at it like what the you know and then
it one of the girls yelps it might have been liliani screamed you know and the creature turned and
locked eyes with them at which point it had these big red eyes and it was suffering it was weak and
feeble it wasn't threatening it wasn't like it was leaping at them and there it is right there yeah
so so liliani who's 16 grabs her sister valkyria who's 14 and hightails it out of there they get
thing it's having communication with it and it was basically saying either help me or don't hurt me like
leave me help me and she was considering helping it and like if she'd done that and she's reflecting
on that now to this day she's like how things would have been different maybe it wouldn't have been
captured maybe it wouldn't have been killed maybe it wouldn't have been end up in the hands of the of
the of the u.s military like i could have saved that thing like what brought it to brought it home
that's when i started i didn't quite put it together at the time i kind of did but i was like oh you gotta
happened right here the family lives right here it makes total sense that if there was an operation
to recover that guy that we just saw that's where you do it so it makes absolute sense because i kept
know it was looking for something hey look i watched it for 20 minutes flying slow and low
it was a disc with a spinner on the bottom of it and it was going down at the end turning around coming
the best night disc footage of a ufo i've seen this is really impressive and then i was like oh it just
happened it was 1996 april just a couple months later right and so i looked up the location in in
proximity to to virginia and like you know virginia is here sao paulo's down here it was like down in
i don't know it's brilliant you've seen it the disc excuse me the disc footage you didn't see that
remind me it's not a disc and there's a kid going what part of the movie uh when i when i interviewed
that could have been the same crap that was looking for the beings as a hypothesis it could be
yeah imagine how being that girl i know walking by the creature and deciding to help it would have
it would have been the real life et to the roof isn't that crazy or bringing inside i think about
this all the time i don't really talk about it because i said like do you want to touch him right
like no you wouldn't want to touch it i don't think it would want to touch you either it was not so
and the forensic pathologist dr genie says on camera that it most likely came from the fingernail of
he grabbed him yes and he grabbed it he like basically captured him like you would capture a wild
he was weak and feeble and he just put it on his lap and off they went what a crazy person now
layal and give him tremendous credit for all the work he's done couldn't have done it without him
picked it up where a lot of them died and disappeared uberjado rodriguez yeah he was one of the leading
lawyers on the case he was amazing um was it where was i getting that uh the uh the capture yeah
in your mind it seems like a long time but maybe it was only a second or two i don't know but then
burdened by some deep dark secret like if you could imagine the weight on his shoulders that's what it
relevant i think so and um uh i kept pushing the fact maybe it was just as well that i didn't because
et eric won't talk he referred to himself in the third person which is funny it's like cops showing up
officer it's like well we didn't ask you that but now that you mention it you know what i mean like
the documentary hadn't obviously had not been released yet no it hadn't but is there any way
he was the cousin of blah blah blah and then the military base as it started making phone calls to
same time with eric lopes and eric lopes military intelligence so so he it wouldn't surprise me if
in the movie yeah i didn't say the movie no talked about it okay so then i don't think i did so then
for door stepping him or something but i said what's it going to take to get because i when i
ask witnesses i don't say will you come forward i don't ever do that i say what's it going to take
response and i said so i said like what are you going to take what's it going to take to get your
watched the documentary i mean i would imagine i mean if i was in it i'd want to that's the thing
about this is it's like uh it's a prolonged investigation and this stuff's going to come
out you're not just going to release one thing it's going to go forever and there's there's always a
but we have the new mayor now and i met with him twice once in his office it just so happens that
does yeah check it out i don't remember him telling me about that i saw it in a pool at uh
that it looked just like the et from virginia with red i'd never heard of red eyes like that
but where did he say he saw he says he's i don't know we talked to him i guess he saw it was that i
don't know dude chris blood those son has it tattooed on his arm just find the tattoo i'm sure there's a
photo of it on get him to text it to you you know you have chris's number yeah yeah get his father to
shirt off and i looked at it i was like you know yeah yeah so that's the only one i've heard
started this actually when i first heard about it it was the late 90s i was doing my second ufo doc
okay out of the blue at the time we didn't have a name for it i always do kind of broad strokes on
not only did i not look into it i didn't touch it talk about it even read one word about it for over
then i got invited to brazil and it must have been around 2010 would be my guess it was after i know
yeah no for sure yeah no it sounds great yeah i'll definitely do that yeah yeah for sure click and i was
was starting to put it together and cnn was at my house for an interview and they were all excited to
talk about it and i was like yeah i'm not going to answer one question on that case because i knew
invited on all the shows tucker carlson like joe rogan cnn msnbc written up in the guardian it was all
over the place right wing left wing all that and uh when the moment of contact came out it was crickets
it was i mean the ufo community like held it up and i got a couple little not me podcasts you yeah
you reported on it remember you brought in the you brought in the original sketches from the from the
girls and and and then i watched rogan hear about it and i don't blame rogan he was feeling the same
way everybody anybody would feel and i had a couple people i think it was uh the guy from minds uh sorry
i can't remember oh yeah yeah i know you talked about it was michael schellenberger yep i think
on joe's face and then michael schellenberger brought it up again on his show and then he was like
i guess he said okay i'm gonna watch it because he'd heard he clearly had heard about it because you know
got out and then he watched it and bam as soon as he watched it because i just like just watch it
don't blame you watch it and i really feel like maybe the first cut was a little premature it was
close to this is before it came out huh they were like you know you've got these great relationships
of people sort of leaning into it big time and then the more i uncover the more comes out and the more
somebody said to me i need you to put your life on it that it happened or put your life on it that
it didn't happen 110 i'd put my life on it that it happened yeah do you see what i'm saying oh yeah
like i'm not sit there and say i bet my life that it happened i'm just saying but if i had to one or
the other it would be it happened no yeah no question because like i said earlier one person just
one about paul benowitz i never saw that one i don't think yeah it it followed uh i think his name's
in the 80s i think it's been a while since i've i've talked about this so i'm kind of like a little
bit fuzzy on it but he was researching ufos in the 80s he was living in nevada right next to
it and like talking people were talking about it or whatever so rick dodie got assigned to go
investigate it so rick dodie knocked on his door introduced himself saw 90s 80s i i think it was the 80s
any photographs that he took that we have no it all got taken okay oh benowitz was the target of a
government disinformation campaign does it say what year steve product okay projects gatsbury was the
cattle mutilation stuff what is it disinformation i remember kpi 89 that sounds right 88 89 okay so
documentary is called mirage men oh i okay yeah i heard about that it's a fantastic film okay i'll watch
that um was it like done by some dudes in britain funny enough netflix or uh i think i watched it on
amazon amazon prime i'll check it out um anyways super like weird artsy filmmaking style love it like
so one of my favorite styles of filmmaking um it reminds me kind of a like a um kind of reminded me
testing was our stuff he thought it was ufos so what they did who said that was our stuff was that
It's terrible.
It was a super sad story.
Like some of it was true.
That's how they do it.
And maybe they tried to like throw in some crazy fucking bullshit into there to make it unbelievable.
This is, let's see, it was, anyway, it was John Burroughs, Jim Penniston, and then the third guy, which I'm the only one to ever get him on camera.
But pretty much if you listen to all the different stories and it took place over several nights, it's all pretty consistent.
It was December 1980.
It's all pretty much pretty consistent until there's one witness that starts talking about alien contact.
There was a book written about it left at Eastgate.
It's like, yeah, this incident happened.
And then, I don't know, however long, how many years it was later, Larry Warren comes out and starts just talking.
Just, it's so inconsistent with every other single witness at the base.
It's like, okay, did they take him and subject him to, like, false memory or inject something into his memory?
Because it's certainly a great way to muddy the waters, right?
You get someone there, and all of a sudden, it's like, it just goes sideways.
It's like, oh, wait a minute.
Like, it's a very effective campaign.
And I'll go back quickly to the, I think it was called the Warren panel.
Was it the, no, Robertson panel.
It's on, look, just go to any archive, look up the front page of the news.
It's in the newspaper.
So much attention that General John Sanford had held a press conference, and it was a big press conference, and it was televised, and it was like he was in uniform, and he was like addressed the issue, and the fact that, you know, people are of high credibility or experiencing these incredible things.
And it was like, how do we deal with this problem?
The Robertson panel told the Air Force, essentially, from all the people that I've talked to about it, look, you can't necessarily outright deny the phenomenon because there's too much compelling firsthand testimony, and there's photographs, and there's that, and the other thing.
And they call it a problem because the way the military looks at it is you've got objects of unknown origin.
And we don't know who it is and where they come from and what they want.
And it was a very effective campaign, and it worked.
And to this day, it still kind of works.
A little less so today, but yeah, it was a very good campaign.
He took it very seriously.
to fly an airplane with no passengers on it remotely
and shoot it down over Cuba for a pretext to invade.
It really makes you wonder.
And it happens with Republicans and Democrats.
It's like, it makes you kind of wonder who's behind the curtain.
And older generation, I'm going to tell you, am I open to it?
Am I ready for one Apollo astronaut to come forward and say it was a hoax?
And we would have these spirited debates on it.
And why wouldn't they lie about it?
It was like, who can get there first?
So it makes perfectly good sense that we would lie about it and stage this huge hoax
So I'm open to it.
It was in the 90s.
What it was like to translute, I'd go around the earth and they have to turn on the rockets.
He said, it had to be perfect.
And then I said, what was it like on the way to the moon?
And then he said, when he got to the moon, it was his job to land the lunar lander.
And he landed and he said when he actually sat down on the lunar surface was the first time that he was like, oh my gosh, that's when it really hit him.
Macromedeorites pelting the skin like you could hear it.
Yeah, he said you could hear it.
Like, screw it.
He founded the Noah Institute to understand it better of this deep sense of interconnectedness, the molecules of his body.
Like it was all one.
It was all one creation, one living consciousness, one thing, right?
He could feel it.
I don't think he told NASA about it at the time.
It leaked out later because he was like, we're going to tell them I'm doing ESP, ESP, you know, connected.
It's a guy that I used to work with, Ben.
You could probably find it, Steve, in England where they convinced a group of,
Quite honestly, it wouldn't surprise me.
He goes, it wouldn't surprise me just because it'd have to produce some high quality, good imagery to the world that maybe they did some stuff as a plan B that leaked out.
He told me that from his mouth to my ears, that it wouldn't surprise him.
He didn't say it happened, but it wouldn't surprise him if that did happen.
And they had it remote controlled because it pivots up.
I'll give it to you.
How did it go?
astronauts had this deep epiphany and it changed their lives forever.
I mean, it would have rocked him up.
When I, when I had that dream after he told me in vivid detail, what it was like to go,
I went like, it really felt real.
When I saw the earth getting smaller and the fact that I, it was like when I did scuba
I think it was in the Bahamas.
I'm pretty sure it was in the, no, no, no, no.
So now it's sucking down even more.
And I was like, like, look at my fucking, you know, and he was looking at it.
And I grabbed him and he takes my thing out and he has a little spare octopus and puts it
We went down real, did we planned it out for a long time?
was and I panicked because I was like, I ain't going to make it.
I couldn't, dude, I couldn't make it.
Dude, I couldn't make it to the surface without that gear that I had.
And I started to panic down there because it was scary.
And we planned it all out.
Decompress, you know, off-gap, whatever you call it, you know.
And it slowly went back.
But it was almost like if you're climbing, I've climbed a few bridges.
And what surprised me was how steep it was.
It's a big cable.
It's like, you know, it's big.
And then it has two guide wires things that you can hold on.
And towards the top, man, it's steep.
I mean, it's getting steep.
And then it got even more intense.
It wasn't hard to hold on up there.
But I felt like I was going to pass out from the intensity of it.
But this, it was pretty dark too.
It was like 3 o'clock in the morning.
I'm not doing it.
He eventually talked me down into it.
And it, the cable just goes down into the void.
Dude, it was terrifying.
And it wasn't so much that the physical feat of, like, it was that physically challenging.
I mean, sure it was.
But it was the mental part of it.
It was all in his mind.
There's nothing you can really pull out of them as far as, like, a deep, like, I feel like if I went to the moon, I would have more words to describe it than exciting.
Yeah, he did it to Edgar Mitchell.
I just saw it the other day.
It sucked me in because I'm always curious.
And I was talking to Jesse about it.
And Jesse's like, because Jesse and Joe Rogan were talking about it.
I'm like, hey, okay, let me hear it.
And he actually does it.
But he did it.
You got it.
Give it audio.
And they refused to do it.
Here's where I'm at with it.
It's not nothing.
Because I saw it on Fox News like 10 years ago.
Pull it up.
He's like, I don't know if it's still on there or not.
We were about to see if you could find it.
Is it video or no?
And it was another guy that was there was the guy in Deliverance who...
If you haven't seen it, it's pretty disturbing.
And I got so much shit for so long that people wonder why it doesn't bother me anymore.
And so I started digging into it.
And Jan was like, yeah, my dad told me that if the truth came about Roswell, it would have a devastating impact on organized religion.
It went on for a while.
It was super expensive.
it's all the gazillionaires, whatever.
And he kept putting it off, putting it off.
I can't do it.
Why would it matter that I'm coming forward?
like it takes people of your stature to come forward to help elevate the phenomenon in the story.
He just said, I'm not doing it.
And that was it.
I'm going to stick it to him a little bit.
And he talked about it and he dug up the Larry King live stuff.
I don't remember it, like yesterday.
She goes, he won't even talk to me about it anymore.
It doesn't harm.
One of them was the, like, what was it?
It was like this cryptic message that he said.
One, it was a big hoax.
Two, they had an encounter with a UFO or whatever, and they were told to shut your mouth about it.
It could have.
He admitted it on camera.
He said it was, they didn't want to bring it to the attention too much to NASA, but they were asking, like, where is this one thing jettisoned?
Is it there?
And it's like, no, it's not that.
He says it.
He says, you can look it up.
I can't even tell you what a roller coaster ride it's been.
She was like, if it ever gets to the point where I can no longer take care of myself, James,
And she was like, if it gets to the point where I can no longer go to the bathroom by myself,
And it's like, ugh, people have no idea.
It was like, okay, we'll get the people that got accepted, which were three.
It's amazing that none of the searching got accepted.
And he was like, oh, I got to take a look at it.
Turns out it wasn't valid.
So if they want to report on it, they can show the clips.
And then they give a brief summary of it.
And it's a plea to the executive branch for immunity.
It's been a colossal undertaking.
Because it happens.
It's insanity.
And he looked at me and he goes, well, the way I see it,
the worst case scenario is you never went for it.
So I'm going for it.
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