clearly are so so i even talked to skeptic magazine michael shirmer the other day what yeah i went on his
co-worker got to know his daughter got to know his son michael like five years on that case i mean i
but i don't know and i'd love to know and i've told michael schirmer of skeptic magazine i was like look
that's that's the best depiction right there the new york post one that michael schellenberger wrote but
i can't remember oh yeah yeah i know you talked about it was michael schellenberger yep i think
michael schellenberger might have gone first and then the guy from minds i'm so sorry mate i love
on joe's face and then michael schellenberger brought it up again on his show and then he was like
I guess Michael Collins went around the moon, theoretically.
And then there's, like, Michael Collins, who was on that first panel, that first interview that they all did after the mission, right, where they all looked like they saw Jesus.