dude so this morning i watched your movie oh wow the new movie it's fresh yeah i like to keep it
so we hear the dr italo this is like a year ago maybe a little over a year ago
video so we're like going after this guy with everything we've got as we do with with witnesses
conversation so regional hospital was the second hospital regional hot well they went to initially
left and they went to regional hospital got it so so we heard about this dr italo character
as having seen the video so we went after him marco marco layal my partner boots on the ground he was
and again this is like a year and a half ago and i was just laser focused on the video like i was so
right so i'm asking him did you see the did you see the video did you see the video did you see
evidently saw the video so we hang up the call and i'm thinking okay i need to go back to
creature he's like this video as far as i'm gonna go you know and so that happens
to the er and he's like i'm having a heart attack like all the symptoms of a heart attack so he's
in 2018 marcos venesis anyway so he he says to himself if i survive this i'm okay i can't take
alien yeah i don't think so and the hospital doesn't want that association you know the military
so we went back to brazil in january of last year and with a film crew because i was like year ago now
real slippery and so i said to dr armando who's very well respected within the medical community
tomorrow at 10 a.m and that was at regional so we don't know exactly like okay we're gonna go we're
he did so we go with the team the next morning he meets us at the back the back entrance sneaks us
because if anything happened because his health has been precarious so i got a statement from him
january 20th at the national press club in washington dc okay so check this out this is me two weeks ago
35 years 35 years how long have you known italo 35 years so doctors when he says he saw the creature
specifically so the doctor you see right here there's dr cesario with the glasses on there's a guy
hospital okay this meeting was unprecedented it just happened a couple weeks ago so for people that
like go out and and so he calls his buddy who was not on duty marco shiriz they were buddies that
operator operator you're still military right mm-hmm so he calls his buddy he goes hey i got this
night so uh he gets a scratch and apparently had like some oil on his skin which is weird because
of the uh it was the icu yeah icu yeah so anyway um i don't know man one can speculate but the girl
reeks of sulfur and ammonia yeah it reeked of sulfur and ammonia so but anyway so marco shriez
working he's been a doctor for 45 years wow so he was there at that event then we had dr armando who
is really significant development these are scientists you know what i mean so that event was really
if he says i mean i just don't see why he would make this up dude it's so crazy to me like what like
this this story is so you're so deep in the weeds with this story right you're in the guts of brazil
it's happened and i can't let it go i can't i can't do it so so it's really frustrating because
like i need so i'm just hoping that all these efforts and and and the recut of the film which quite
having his back it was uh it was like um you had all of our backs so i was just like you know i was like
that's so there's that trust you know i'm saying that trust has to happen and it's like you know
and it's so funny too because honestly with our foyer requests i kind of thought they were going to yield
yeah so explain explain the background of this for your request for folks who aren't familiar okay so
a foyer request out so there was an individual that was i was getting in contact with a lot of people
so we filed a foyer in 2022 and we said we want all the flight logs of united states air force
job steve that's the plane and we're trying to blow that up bigger so we were trying to get the tail
if they were lying whatever but anyway so we filed this foyer request in 2022 and we just had we wanted
the flight logs and i figured well let me give it a wide window so i think i went i think i went from
it to one agency and this in the cia responds three years later i thought so and they were like your
movie that's crazy i don't know man it just seems so crazy so on a black hawk helicopter well i heard
that that's what oh so when we interviewed the former chief of police and by the way getting to him was
like a bar so in the bathtub because you know people are conflicted about coming forward they
and um again bar so in the bathtub and then ultimately and he was like okay we'll come to my house
have a pizza with this guy so we all so he makes us his fresh pizza and we take a completely unannounced
would then we would have then we should have been but it just happened that way so then we drive
so had we come earlier we would have missed him all together absolutely perfect yeah so
he's here yes you know so then i eventually kind of called her i was like oh well you know why don't
you come in you know come on in and invites us in and i think one of us had a mic on us just so we
things out a little bit here so we start talking and talking to him and we're just like you know
that he goes i got to the military base he goes i never seen so much brass in my life
so i was at a i was at a barbecue and i was like you know five signs i hate to give away my little
and you might want to talk to him and looked at me and i was like so i was like duty duty duty
really no she just looked at me like you just like go away so anyway so i stayed at the party
yeah defcon 1 means nuclear war is imminent so it's one step below okay so it's defcom 2 i'm
but i didn't know what the hell he was talking about so um and then coincidentally i think i might
it was so big that they could have landed on it yes and that the pilot had to be lifted out of the
cockpit so what i heard after the i guess he scrambled it to go get it and it took off like warp speed like
something out of star wars so and the governor five simonton also told me they took a run at it
intercept it oh i see but so then i found out that's that that clinton was i don't know if he was
states would have to be notified look it up google it so this is the same night as the phoenix lights
yeah yeah yeah it was it was march 13th 1997 most so if i if i recall correctly virginia was 96. if i
of the phoenix so why they call it the phoenix lights i said what mike what's what why are you so
eyes i watched it with my wife for minutes like so it was one well there were a bunch of different
saw this craft including the governor of five simonton said it was so big it had to be from another
it was so low and so slow it was just i interviewed these hospice workers i think there was five of them
the mountain so they were really close they're right at the base because it flew right over this
it just was so silently right over our heads and we watched it for several minutes we stopped our
phone no get out of here so the whole family except for the husband all sat there for several
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he's super legit yeah so all right and some people just say that okay whatever it doesn't matter but
grush but what about this what about we lobby the executive branch and provide some level of immunity so
everyone would love to know that it's real right and of course i happen to just so happen to
so profound why wouldn't we follow that up why wouldn't we dedicate some resources to those
so so your interview with eric davis in your movie in your new movie yes you're sitting there talking to
heart or something like that he said he's wearing his children's lives so that this stuff is real
i'll testify under oath to a bipartisan group of lawmakers and i'll give all those details so here's
the crazy hypothetical so we should do that here's a crazy hypothetical yeah james i saw saucers in
so imagine that imagine he says that on your documentary and the next day they throw him in
davis in prison or or whack him i don't think so well at the very least he'd be stripped of all
been collecting that since the 40s perhaps even earlier so whatever's flying around in our airspace
they put a bomb on it and it's game over for us right so i could see that i don't agree with it
yeah and profound yes right and so and you know what quite honestly like you know people often ask me
god it was like so crazy so i can't go to the reason why i ended up in the arrow excuse me for
how recent was this last about a year ago a little over a year ago yeah so after kirkpatrick yeah it
was in december of i think it was december of 2024 so it was a little over a year ago because it was
back home afterwards so i had to go through all my bag and all my affairs finally get my stuff and then i
is so strange man can't even believe i'm in here and i'm thinking to myself god is this a good idea
so anyway so then this individual comes back opens up the door gets in there and there's a
the world yeah but uh so then the other uh uh john kosklauski the new head of arrow he comes in
some respects like not like i'm hiding what i'm doing so i was like guys like you know you gotta throw
what i uncover you know and i've had other members that i kept to remain nameless that it's so weird
one time can i say i heard it anonymously they'll know exactly what it came from so the stuff that
i've heard yeah and and uh well i can can i can i transition into one more thing yes okay so i'm
were on rogan him and the other dude yeah so so let me just tell you i did everything i could
i accidentally exposed him it was stupid my mistake i did it but so initially i just he wasn't even
on youtube movies so um and moment of contact new revelations of alien encounters i will also make
on that but for now it's on amazon linked below yes find it yeah so uh what was i getting at and look
clearances sounds crazy to me and i told him i was like just so you know i wasn't there i didn't
clearly are so so i even talked to skeptic magazine michael shirmer the other day what yeah i went on his
like i'll meet with skeptics i'll meet with you know there's so much mudslinging going on in this
i mean so um getting back to what i was saying yeah right um it's okay to say i don't know where
that's what i was going to tell you sorry got sidetracked so i was at i was at the um the uh
kids but i sounded sounds mate yeah yeah so i was there for that and there was an individual
these guys are from the agency and and uh oh little side story so we're like the premiere yeah yeah
yeah so we're like at the premiere and and leslie's hanging out with these dudes in suits and i
same kind of suits that it looked like part of the uap task force so when i went into the skiff with
yeah exactly what you'd expect yeah so i'm looking at these guys and i look at her she's like hey this
i'm doing so we start talking and then i go yeah man because i i did this film about this alleged ufo
is public why wouldn't they be curious so anyway so i did that then i left and i went to get a drink
had a cocktail and it looked like a whiskey on the rocks and so i ordered a whiskey neat
and i mean i was all ears so i said uh huh well like what category would you consider yourself
uh probably one of 30. so so you have a bigger picture i mean not quite as big as the 10 but you
this individual is like yeah yeah i could see that so i was like am i gonna find out like what
no no you'll you'll you'll you'll be fine we'll be fine so i was like well and it was like a crowbar
you know so the conversation a little more and pry a little further i said uh well like um like
mean that's the holy grail as far as i'm concerned i don't know so i said and then just as i was going
and that was it was over that was it as far as i got yeah so when you asked him that you heard there
like how so i don't know i don't know that's the part i thought i was gonna know and i didn't get
on this earth so we us are super rare just on this planet and if you extrapolate that out to other
you said you said i don't know yeah i don't which is so rare these days to hear from people yeah i
dust on your outfit and his were immaculate so i just thought to myself if true if if he had that
it was just like that's it so then i asked the other individual that got me to that individual
i don't like to talk about people but i mean he's a government official so yeah yeah um i i've heard
your wife he goes nope i'm coming i'm going to do this interview so dan said that he really wanted
fruit flavors so if you're training hard traveling or even just trying to stay on top of your day liquid iv
deep state the deep state right so he wants to come forward to get it off his chest some people
want to do that they're humans yeah they got grandchildren yeah they got kids yeah so they come
never to be trusted you're just hard it's harder to believe those people that's what i'm saying so
it's like they're stuck yes how do you do it yes so you say hey i'm willing to put my my right hand
tell me more yeah you know i'm saying because we owe it to ourselves it's like it's so easy to sit on
about this other crash special access so maybe just one person gets inspired i'm just i'm just saying like
because it's so easy for people to call the neurosurgeon a liar the girl's a liar the crash
fuck it i'll take what i can get so i was begging him like please i mean i remember joking describing
how do you connect the dots well here's how i so i think about all the different and i i'm not
would be believed that's what happened dropped him off and left so they cared about his well-being but
billions and billions of possibilities so i don't know maybe we're dealing with all the above maybe
with us yeah and you taught you brought up spielberg earlier yeah okay so if you ever watched et
so that's what that's what it reminded me of dude okay so check this out so last visit just a couple
and uh so i was of the witnesses yes of the witness the first-hand witnesses we were going to fly
i'm to dc this is all happening we're having the event anyway so i flew i flew to dc sorry i flew to
so so liliani who's 16 grabs her sister valkyria who's 14 and hightails it out of there they get
to recover that guy that we just saw that's where you do it so it makes absolute sense because i kept
search i swear to god and so when i restructured the entire opening of moment of contact because i
happened it was 1996 april just a couple months later right and so i looked up the location in in
somewhere in here not that far away as the crow flies so i was like could that be connected interesting
connected oh okay yeah i don't for some reason that part's not ringing your bell but you're saying so
like no you wouldn't want to touch it i don't think it would want to touch you either it was not so
does that i was like didn't he pull a gun on you or something so this is interesting there's a new
development on that so when we got to his house and everything was happening really quickly i jumped
so we got to his house and i'm excited like because i'm like holy we might meet the
now a lawyer and they grew up together so he knew romolo so so and that was an afterthought of mine was
relevant i think so and um uh i kept pushing the fact maybe it was just as well that i didn't because
and he's been gone ever since so i was just like so close you know but that was all right around the
same time with eric lopes and eric lopes military intelligence so so he it wouldn't surprise me if
of here so so i found out two things after that one is uh i contacted his wife indirectly i can't
interesting thing is i'm not sure if you knew this but so eric lopes married the sister of the
in the movie yeah i didn't say the movie no talked about it okay so then i don't think i did so then
to get you to come forward because then there's an opening right yeah so you don't give them that
response and i said so i said like what are you going to take what's it going to take to get your
gonna happen so then there was a a security guard that we're friends with and he's in the circle of
marco was on this before i was at least 10 years so and we got the 30th anniversary
but we have the new mayor now and i met with him twice once in his office it just so happens that
have his back and myself included and people are that's not going unnoticed so i've been asking dr
time is uh blood blood so bladsoe saw that bladsoe's son has a tattoo of one with red eyes on what yes he
shirt off and i looked at it i was like you know yeah yeah so that's the only one i've heard
those guys did and so stand friedman interestingly enough he was like one of the biggest bob lazar
michael schellenberger might have gone first and then the guy from minds i'm so sorry mate i love
witnesses face to face you're you're just talking to people so you're doing you're talking to a load
for years right so anyway hold that thought i gotta take a pee real quick all right go we'll come
right back so what one of the um the documentaries that blew my mind out of all the ufo documentaries
is right i've heard the name yeah definitely yeah so paul benowitz was a um he was like a ufo researcher
in the 80s i think it's been a while since i've i've talked about this so i'm kind of like a little
businessman and ufo investigator okay so here's the story so he was he was filming and taking photos
it and like talking people were talking about it or whatever so rick dodie got assigned to go
investigate it so rick dodie knocked on his door introduced himself saw 90s 80s i i think it was the 80s
cattle mutilation stuff what is it disinformation i remember kpi 89 that sounds right 88 89 okay so
ufo cover-up live is that the one you're talking about yeah so so so watch that i'll watch the
so one of my favorite styles of filmmaking um it reminds me kind of a like a um kind of reminded me
of a uh a harmony kareen movie anyways um so benowitz got visited by rick dody rick dody found out
testing was our stuff he thought it was ufos so what they did who said that was our stuff was that
rick dody said that to him or to the cameraman in the documentary okay so rick dody goes back to
he's a guy's guy who's so famous and he's like the nsa was that and he's like living in the
was like really getting nerdy he's an engineer too he was an engineer yeah yeah so there were
And so they were gaslighting him to believe that this is some sort of alien race that's coming to the planet Earth.
So there were Soviet spies that were in the MUFON community there that were trying to get a better idea of what was going on as far as secret military stuff the U.S. had going on.
So they wanted to poison the well of that local UFO community through Paul Benoist.
Well, so I did a relatively deep dive into the alleged landing of an unknown object at Bentwaters, England, the joint U.S.-British air base.
Just, it's so inconsistent with every other single witness at the base.
Yes, I think so.
Yeah, so they had, and I know you know this, but they had two consecutive weekends in July of 1952 at Washington, D.C.
So much attention that General John Sanford had held a press conference, and it was a big press conference, and it was televised, and it was like he was in uniform, and he was like addressed the issue, and the fact that, you know, people are of high credibility or experiencing these incredible things.
So they convened the Robertson panel.
A little less so today, but yeah, it was a very good campaign.
Okay, so, I don't know.
Okay, so...
So, he determined...
So, his films would appear seamless to most people, right?
Like, so much fucking lying and deception was happening.
So I was...
I'm so ready.
In case they got shot so they didn't have to have a slow down.
So all these things.
So it makes perfectly good sense that we would lie about it and stage this huge hoax
So I'm open to it.
But other than that, he goes, I might as well have been in a simulator because I was so focused on the task at hand.
And so they instructed them to sleep.
And they were sitting there and they were so excited.
So beautiful.
So I would have...
So shit.
So I was talking to, so I brought that up with Edgar Mitchell.
So they would have had to have left that camera on board.
So Charlie Duke is the 12th man to walk on the moon on Apollo 16.
So this is, I did what you did.
So I did a, I did a, I did a night dive.
So the cliff, I mean, the, the, the cave diving was pretty intense.
So now it's sucking down even more.
So I kept periodically hitting my dive instructor, the dive master that was down there with us.
So I hit him again.
So we locked arms.
Like my life, like I've never seen the surface so far away.
So the cable is designed to walk on.
So my legs started to burn as I got towards the top because the angle goes steeper, steeper.
And it wasn't so much that the physical feat of, like, it was that physically challenging.
That's, so, that's crazy to me that there's some of those guys that, like, that went to the moon, allegedly.
So, I don't know.
And so I started, then I watched some of your show and I was like, wow, this is a great idea.
So, you bet your sweet ass we went to the moon.
So I got an interview with Buzz Aldrin in the 90s.
And I got so much shit for so long that people wonder why it doesn't bother me anymore.
So I was like, really?
And so I started digging into it.
But so they said, we can get you an interview with Buzz Aldrin.
So they did.
So they got me an interview.
So I was like, I'm going to get an interview with Buzz Aldrin about a UFO sighting he had.
So he goes, I'm going to be in, you know, and someone says yes at that level.
So I borrowed a bunch of money, got a small camera crew together.
So I'm like, okay, finally this is going to happen.
I said, I mean, dude, I was so devastated.
So I had to sit there and I go on live, Larry King live show with Buzz Aldrin,
So that's why, like, if you want, I'll help arrange a meeting with Buzz Aldrin.
The stars were so magnificent.
Just, like, so many weird things like that, you know?
So what's next for you, bro?
So I worked with a specific member of Congress.
So, you know, that happened.
So, yeah, I was devastated.
So she did the whole, she had to go get a medical and psychological evaluation
And so this has happened.
So much stress, man.
So I had a contingency plan, and that was to go and film with my co-producer,
So we worked in conjunction with people, our contacts there.
So, yeah, he's like, you know, he's like, actually, I'm Brazilian-Italian,
So I said, well, is your Italian passport valid?
So he had to, like, go for the reapplication process.
Like, so I'm, you know, dealing with that.
So his visa got accepted.
And so then we were like, all right, well, we've got three extremely prominent.
So we've got four.
So if they want to report on it, they can show the clips.
And so we're putting on that event.
And so they can be, you know, subpoenaed and testify openly
So this is all happening.
You're doing a big, so much stake.
Like, so stressful, man.
Because there's so many variables outside your control.
That's so true.
So I'm going for it.