John Mack as well, right? Yes, that was part of the betrayal. And he, I think he was, he was moved
his funds over into people who met well, like John Mack. I knew John Mack pretty well. But
did you like John Mack? Did he find him to be an honest actor? He was doing the best he could with
cards for the audience. John Mack, head of the Harvard Psychiatry Department. They did all work with
called stage craft doing this. Now, John Mack didn't know that, but Hopkins didn't know that.
but hopkins or john mack now they didn't know that i was debriefing people who are the ones operating