I think it's more interesting in a sense that somebody like, you know, I've spoken to Hal Puthoff about this,
Pretty serious guy, Hal Puthoff.
But Hal Pauvenmeyer also showed up originally.
In fact, I had dinner with Hal's wife this weekend.
One thing Hal told me, Hal Pappenmeyer, we were, we loved him.
My children loved Hal because he became, you know, my dad died in 2013 and he, Hal came in 2008.
But Hal told me he died in 2019.
That's where Hal was at the end.
So with like Hal Poppemeyer.