We should have disclosure today. We should have disclosure tomorrow. The time has come.
And that really excites me because we're living such polarized times.
I interviewed a theologian at Berkeley named Ted Peters way back from my first film.
UFOs 50 years of denial because everyone was like, well, it conflicts with religion.
So I had a really good friend, Sky Renee Harris and in high school. And we, when we, when we graduated in 18, we, we flew to Europe.
Exactly.
So I remember a Jacques talking about a document that he accidentally found in the files of Dr. Jalen Hainek, who was a scientific advisor to Project Blue Book.
That basically talked about this, a program that paralleled Project Blue Book, but it was way underground, way more funding, way better scientists, all these things.
The document revealed an ultra secret, highly funded scientific investigation, working parallel to Blue Book, unknown to all, but a select few.
And if it were really about, you know, leakages in the Manhattan project or socialist sympathies or whatever,
that would be 41 through 45.
At least listen to the testimony and review the evidence because I have that knee jerk reaction of, that's impossible.
Yeah.
But it's good.
It's good you have that.
Yeah.
Because I think you wouldn't be where you are if you just, if your knee jerk reaction was credulousness,
you just believed everything.
You know, I think, I think it adds an element of trust for people when they watch your movies.
I think of like, okay, well, that old expression, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence is, you know, that's, that's a legitimate and that's understandable, right?
But I think of it in a sense of, all right, if I'm going to report on a particular incident, let's say it's a landing case, Australia in 1966, West all,
I feel like my job as a filmmaker is to sway a jury.
And I'm not trying to manipulate anybody or anything, but I want to put forth the right evidence to like, let the jury know, beyond a reasonable doubt that something like this did occur, right?
So I'm always thinking about my films as a presented to a jury or let's say I got a skeptic in the crowd.
I'm going to cater to that skeptic.
We have a location and we have a date.
And so Paul happens to show it to Alan. And Bob wasn't there that day at North and Air Force base and men and suits either later that day or the very next morning showed up confiscated the footage and said, don't ever talk about it.
And do you know who the men and seats work for?
It was so sketchy, man. We drove up into the depths of Brazil like four hours into the night north of Virginia.
And maybe five hours. It was thunderstorm. There was lightning. It was raining and we get up there and there's just like bar that kind of spills out into a dirt parking lot.
You know, and he's looking at me like a UN agent. Yeah. Are you a secret US government agent? I'm like, no, you can look me up. You know, I'm got a reputation. I've been doing this for 30 years. Like go ahead and Google me. You know, one of the reasons he might have been paranoid is because he mentions to you that the body goes from hospital to hospital. But it ends up probably going the United States.
So you could feel it when you're poking around out there, you feel like you're being kind of what you know, you know, the sound paranoid, but I'll tell you, I got spooked. I could just feel it.
The military base calls the guy that we had just met with on camera calls him up. Hey, this is so and so it adds a military base. There's an American filmmaker poking around.
Yeah, it's like you really got me thinking and that's all I can do.
I want the program to come out and get people to do more work on it.
My name is Leslie Kane and I'm an investigative reporter.
And I was one of three journalists who broke the story in December of 2017 about the Department of Defense Secret Program studying UFOs.
It was like one of the only times.
My son was like, Hey, daddy, let's go play outside.
Right.
But to say you have a thing, it's like you're signing up for like an immediate like polarizing reaction.
It's happening.
We don't have an explanation for it or certainly I don't have a prosaic explanation for it.
and the woman who owned the building
where we were editing the film.
We'll get you an interview.
Then she said, the other thing that he had told her
was that they were followed by something to the moon.
Mickey Rooney knows Buzz Aldrin, Fane Potter, Buzz Aldrin's sister,
both going at Buzz Aldrin saying,
you need to meet with James Fox.
So he agrees, Buzz Aldrin.
And he says, well, I'm on book tour right now,
and but I'll meet you if you wanna come to Monte Carlo,
I'll meet you and run a car, though.
And I'm thinking myself, hell yeah.
So I borrow the money, excuse me,
I borrow the money, I get the camera gear,
get my buddy, Tim Coleman, my partner at the time,
my girlfriend at the time, Samara,
and we go to the South of France.
Actually, we flew to Paris and we took a high speed train
down to Monte Carlo.
And I was like, when I got there,
I was like, oh my God, this place is so expensive.
I think the cheapest hotel I could find was like 400 euros a night.
Yeah, sounds about right.
Oh my gosh, I was like, I'm gonna be broke in a couple of days.
That's like, and Buzz kept like,
oh, I'll have the meeting on Tuesday.
You know, I was like, Monday, it was like Tuesday,
I'm like, oh, I got some, well Wednesday,
then I got to Thursday and I was like,
with all due respects, so I traveled all the way here
He said to me, no camera, don't have cameras rolling.
I said, I won't have any cameras rolling on each of the lobby.
I said, I said, what, what do you, what do you mean?
You're not doing it.
And then that would have been an earth shattering.
It was devastated.
And then he comes out later, thinks to you, saying, no, not only do I think it was real
and do I believe all the witnesses, but I saw it with my own eyes, which is just so profound.
So I said to I said to five, I said five.
Oh, man.
Well, that's here.
So we were in the building that I was talking about, the woman who owned the building,
You have the cerebellum, which is movement, right?
We have no idea though how those all mesh together to create our seamless perception of,
And then, you know, maybe your brain is sort of an antenna.
And William James is a big fan of this called trawl transmission.
In fact, that area when hooked up to an FMRI lights up when somebody makes a, quote, unquote,
brilliant move and go.
They go, they look at the data that's been, you know, revealed post-2017.
And they come out saying, we think there's something here that's unexplainable.
I think why science doesn't accept it is because it is not fully repeatable.
And it's hard to turn into instrumentation.
Part of East Jafarri, he needs, you know, it was like some astronomical amount of money
to go from because they just George Bush at the time had said that it was the axis
I come out, got the good news.
He got his visa.
But yeah, I just learned you were while making some of your early films, you were working
other jobs.
They were considered some of the better films out there on the topic.
But no, it was not.
I did.
And that's awesome.
I was, well, only asking because I didn't put it in the phenomenon, but I, maybe I wasn't
ready for it.
Who's that?
Maybe John Alexander.
And John and I've had great, you know, deaders together and...
I'll tell them exactly how I feel.
Because you can't speculate at all.
Left it Eastgate, I think it was a book written about that there was actual contact with
No, well, they were originally approached by Nellis, Air Force Base, and they were,
I think, promised that they would be shown a UFO.
nuclear initiative.
So obviously with nuclear, you need nuclear physics is like an academic program, but there's
And Guy Hottel is investigating Condon in the early fifties right around the time that
Oppenheimer gets his Q clearance stripped.
Right.
Absolutely.
It's like they just were to summary and basing, hoping that the media was going to do their
job and sit through the actual cases that they, because they determined that your
office is real.
It's not all your folks are any of us real.
Yeah.
You know, it was a brilliant job and it really, it killed.
That was it.
It all fell apart.
It took so long.
But I want to get back to you mentioned that guy HODL's FBI memo.
Another FBI memo was extremely popular on the FBI website.
I featured it now to the blue.
And honestly, I don't know if it's still floating around on the FBI site.
It probably is.
I would imagine.
But it's in, is it Eisenhower's own hand right?
No, no, no.
Jay Gahuever.
Jay Gahuever writes and you, there's, there's multiple interpretations of this because it
looks like S A or it could be like a W that wasn't written quite right.
It is not quite sure, but it says former director of the FBI, Jay Edgar Hoover was also denied
access as he stated in his own handwriting in July of 1947.
So come out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't like at least a disclosure in the sense that
and I've talked to government insiders about this.
I'd done the same in China.
Apparently in Russia they would use nuclear material to bait.
Like now, yeah, we might have like, you know, I have to drones that are flying, you know,
really fast.
Is it nuclear power, too?
And I might be.
Argentina, 95, I believe is a famous UFO case around there.
So it's one of these things where, you know, I always, this is how I take skeptics down
He's so credible.
He's so credible.
for me.
Like it would work anytime.
He emailed me after I did my piece with Grush and he was like, actually, it was like
a lower percentage of misaliers that I interviewed.
He ended up dying like a year or two later of cancer.
And he was all excited.
It'd be I think it'd be weirder if you hadn't seen anything.
So it's like you're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
But before that happened, and right around that time, this really frustrates me, I contacted
George Namp.
And I'm going to be in the program.
I got to go back to Brazil.
Like, you know, we've got people like Stanton,
Friedman and Dr. Heineck and Keeho and, you know,
And so, but I'm still very proud of it.
I think it's a very good, you know what I mean?
That's like my money card.
That's just non-terrestrial officers.
I mean, gosh, and that was like, how do we get that list?
I know, God, can you imagine?
Yeah, because his name was out already.
And the news nationwide was gonna run, and they were gonna run that.
He's like, you know, I'm just not really doing it anymore.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.