So I had a really good friend, Sky Renee Harris and in high school. And we, when we, when we graduated in 18, we, we flew to Europe.
We bought an old beat up Fiat 131 in London. And we painted the doors. We wanted to kind of spice up a little bit. So we painted the doors red and the rest of the volume was white.
Also, I also know that they never, never would notify the media when an interesting case came up. Everything they could to keep it down.
So they definitely withheld information.
But there's a theory out there that maybe it was actually around UFOs.
And so the head of the kangaroo court was a guy named Gordon Gray, who knows whether the...
It's online now, and you have Von Neumann defending Oppenheimer saying,
don't blame him too much.
And he was telling Heineck, look, you got to look into these cases that are classified in project blue book files as psychological because those are reports of witnesses claiming to see beans connected to the craft.
Very, very credible reporter. She was thought in the UFO community be very credible. Like if she puts something out there, it was thoroughly researched. It was there was substance to it.
So I read one article and she had I think some military officials that were interviewing there might have been anonymous and then another woman was a pilot to it's two separate articles about this landing at Holman.
It was, I don't know what time of day, but it was, it was a daylight. And the film, there was film of three discs that are relatively high altitude coming in over the base.
And then two peel away and one and they were escorted by military jets. And then one comes down. He said it was like a, like a leaf almost.
Clames followed that extra terrestrial were taken to a hospital with military and government personnel seen in the area.
1996, Virginia, which is in between.
Live aliens in broad daylight.
Walking around the town, cowering, hiding, suffering. Like, come on, man. Really? And the whole world's not going to know about that. That's I was like, please. Like, that's impossible.
Okay. So we are sitting here with military ex who clearly doesn't want his identity revealed, which we're not going to do.
And he's going to provide enough detail, not too much, but enough detail on operations that he was involved with with the Virginia case.
I look into people's eyes and I just like look into their souls and just say this story is so much bigger than any one of us.
Yeah. That you know future generations have a right to know like what is it going to take what will it take to get you to you know what I mean?
I'm ready to tell you everything. Yeah. Yeah. Right now. I do. I look deep in the rise because I communicate on a more spiritual level. Yeah.
Well, it's like plea. You know, and I remember what I arrived in Australia. Some of the researchers and I'm not tuning my own horn.
I've just, I mean, I'm really bad at a lot of things, but some things I'm not bad at. And the researchers when I arrived.
I was investigating this landing case happened in the 60s. They're like, all right. We've been going at it for 50 years and these particular witnesses are never going to talk a period.
That's the way it is.
What do you, what do you think about this moment in UFO disclosure? Obviously the program is coming out soon, which is very exciting.
Yeah. I feel like you did an amazing job and did accomplish that.
I mean, it's maybe a little hard for me to say because I'm already bought in.
So, you know, actually, like Peter Teal went on Joe Rogan Rogan kept ring up aliens.
Like half of half of Rogan shows are like fully about.
we get a big shift on this.
And then there's some other sense that maybe it just keeps kind of muddling along.
Like my whole adult life, you know, getting laughed at and make fun of.
I remember going to cocktail parties and just saying, we do me a favor.
Yeah.
You know, buying that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
like towards his death.
And so you hear thing and thing, you know,
He goes, I don't know.
She found out what you're doing, and wants to have tea.
And he told me that if the truth about Roswell
Oh my gosh, I was like, I'm gonna be broke in a couple of days.
That's like, and Buzz kept like,
Weege, a part come to put part, Savoir.
That's the one.
Anyway, I break the story of the governor of Arizona
five-sided.
I said, what do you mean?
She goes, somebody got to him.
like holding pattern and it gets like extremely frustrated about that.
And then he comes back and he dedicates the rest of his life to consciousness research.
I'm inside still editing.
I get a visual image in my head.
I know you were angry.
But I'm not going to go around telling it, just get it fixed and we'll put it behind
I didn't even know about remote viewing at that point.
I didn't know.
Right.
Just using their mind.
theory for now because we just didn't understand it.
But there's this anomaly that's happening.
I was 13 years old.
Yeah.
How do you say that?
Yeah.
So he had to fly to like Dubai or something for a week or two to apply for a visa.
And I had to put him up in his hotel for like, I don't know, it was a week or it was two
So he locks on it and he tries to shoot it and his whole cabin, everything locks up
and he starts spiraling out of the sky or like lose control.
And he was like, I thought I was going to have to eject at night over, you know, Tehran.
And then last minute he regained control.
But then in retrospect, he told me on camera, there was a very intimate, cool moment, you
know, on reflection of, you know, he had all these years to think about what had actually
happened.
And he goes, you know, my biggest regret was, why did I take a hostile position on this
thing?
I could have communicated with it in a friendly way.
Like I, you know, like we have an unknown and I just try to shoot it.
I mean, yeah.
So that was his biggest regret.
Yeah.
And it was very interesting, but there was also a psychic too.
It's like it read his mind that he was going to shoot it.
Yeah.
And then it locked up everything in his, and it's, it is jet.
Isn't that while we hear that a lot, but it was so worth.
Yeah.
Like all the effort we got, but people don't know the backstory like this.
That was just one out of many, you know, we ended up making a, I know what I saw.
And I think I know the guy that found it.
I know.
you know, allowed you or permitted you or made you approve to meet with me.
And I was expecting some sort of profound answer.
He finds a special access program they have four to 800 people working, but then they're
working on craft that is not of this world, but progress is sort of slow and it's cumbersome
I remember my sister and I worked on this and I watched everything I could possibly watch.
I read it 50 times.
is slow and cumbersome?
Do you think maybe it's actually they have a reverse engineer?
I think Bob Lazar, nope.
I think they found them in the records there.
You're the patty.
If you're saying there's no cover-up, maybe you're part of the cover-up.
But then there were people on set that were like, who's this spook?
I'm serious.
Look, I'm starting to cover close encounters of a third kind only recently in my...
In my long career.
Yeah.
Really, you know, maybe that was deliberately put out there to throw people off the trail
Okay.
No one.
Wait, what did they say?
In the daily mail, they say that the CIA has this Office of Global Access.
In 46, he writes the McMahon Secrecy Act.
And that language for the Atomic Energy Commission is using the McMahon secrecy act of 46.
of Central Intelligence, first secretary of defense, etc.
Was set up, established to deal with.
And I actually put at the time in out of the blue, of course, that's changed now because
that was probably late 90s or early 2000, probably late 90s.
It's like, you're not putting the genie back in the bottle.
Like you can't make that statement.
There's stuff coming out.
There's press conferences.
We've got admirals.
We've got colonels.
and I think they said he's got like 46 minutes, you know, and then he's out of here, you
And they have a town dedicated to UFOs where like, you know, a very high percentage of
the residents believe in UFOs, you have a museum around UFO and vice-made a documentary
with this guy and he's to this day is sitting on interviews from, well, the interviews were
in the 80s, but the incidents occurred.
Biological changes.
And I met with Bob, I'm not Bob Jacob.
You want it as podcasts?
Yeah.
A self-described military watchdog says FBI agents and other lawmen used a sealed search warrant
to seize his property, including computers and personal files.
Bob Lazar was just exploding in the headlines.
It was all over the place.
It was in the 90s.
I think he came, met public in 89.
But in any case, it was in the early mid 90s, whatever, and everyone's talking about
Bob Lazar and his tape.
It was exploding.
I mean, it was all over the news.
Everybody's, you know, because wow, it's true.
You know, really?
And Chuck Clark, who had written a handbook on Area 51 S4 guide, and he was an amateur
astronomer, and he was out under the night sky quite often, in and around the base or
not in the classified areas.
He had figured out a way that there were a handful of vantage points on these specific
mountain ranges where he could spy on the base.
And he would take people out there and stuff.
And so, and he had a sighting of something that exhibited technology that was just, you
know, light years like, ding, ding, ding.
So I was interviewing for that, and I was going back and forth during that period of production
a typical road trip.
I know the type.
Oh, the, the, he's a private investigator.
I can't remember his name on top, but in any case, I wouldn't say it anyway, because he's
Don't know.
I said, you got to go.
Yeah.
He tried to buy it.
He drew it, yeah, yeah.
It's basically a cigar with a thing here
because I'd forgotten about that aspect of what he'd seen.
I forgot about that.
gradations of probability.
Yeah.
I was like, yeah, now I'm not going to talk about that case,
because they weren't ready for it, right?
The reason why I'm telling you this is that
after it passed overhead,
into investigating some of these claims,
it's good to the bottom of it.
I think they were like, you can't do this here, which is insane.
Because I guess they wanted to speak to one of the 40 witnesses.
or whatever a little bit.
And like, I see the pain he's going through.