So I did 50 years of denial, then it was out of the blue, out of the blue, director's cut.
I know what I saw, the phenomenon, moment of contact. Shoot.
They literally would say that to me.
They'd say, well, let me ask you if it were true.
And we've forgotten for a very long time.
I don't know. What do you think?
But how was that sort of impregnated in me? Why was that? Why did I have that knee jerk response?
You know what I mean? I was like sort of thinking about as I learned more about the phenomenon and the relationship between the government and the phenomenon.
We featured it in the phenomenon, but it was a parallel effort that had just gone underground.
Do we know anybody involved in that effort?
Well, I had, excuse me, an alleged landing case in Ruiz, in Bobway, 1994, where roughly, you know, there were 66 school children reported.
There were 100 school children in the playground when it happened.
And you have to admit that at a certain point.
If you actually sat down, you were locked in a classroom and you were shown slides of these very real artifacts.
However, let me remind you that the very person who documented or researched UFO cases for the United States government, Dr. Heineck from 47 to 69 or 70.
I mean, you've heard, you've heard, but it doesn't not pattern match to other stories.
Like, I don't know if you've ever heard of Colonel Charles Hall.
A sliding door open, a ramp was extended, and out came three aliens.
I did not believe that case.
And I guess they're just putting them down as psychological because they're just assuming that the witnesses have lost their marbles.
I was investigating this landing case happened in the 60s. They're like, all right. We've been going at it for 50 years and these particular witnesses are never going to talk a period.
They're just giving me in the room with them. I got two of them to talk after 50 years. So I looked this guy in the eyes.
It was so sketchy, man. We drove up into the depths of Brazil like four hours into the night north of Virginia.
And maybe five hours. It was thunderstorm. There was lightning. It was raining and we get up there and there's just like bar that kind of spills out into a dirt parking lot.
And they were just felt looked. I stood out so heavily, you know, when I got there. And two guys walk over to our car. They look inside. Then they get in the back and let's go, you know, like, all right. So they're taking us somewhere else. I don't know where they're taking me.
You know, I'm driving. I'm thinking kind of hope this is a set up. Right.
You know, then they're driving to some other location and then we go to this bar and it's outside as well. And we all talking. He's just as paranoid as I we were both paranoid. Yeah.
You know, and he's looking at me like a UN agent. Yeah. Are you a secret US government agent? I'm like, no, you can look me up. You know, I'm got a reputation. I've been doing this for 30 years. Like go ahead and Google me. You know, one of the reasons he might have been paranoid is because he mentions to you that the body goes from hospital to hospital. But it ends up probably going the United States.
And it's a broad term. So sorry. I mean, really busy. And this is out of the blue. You approached me. And I'm doing like 15 hour shoots every day.
Now it's you I'm exhausted. We don't have it. You know, so he said, we're not going to meet with you. And I was like, it's not that I'm not going to meet with you.
You know, buying that.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I have people who have that, they don't know about it.
aligned with my 30 years of research.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was stationed at Roswell in 47.
and then Jan Rooney goes, my dad was a general in Roswell in 47.
she's like, I think I can get you an interview with Buzz,
and I don't know much more of the story you want to tell you,
And I said, well, with all due respect, sir,
people of your caliber coming forward
five-sided.
Well, I saw a huge craft just kind of come right over a
She goes, somebody got to him.
He goes, he wouldn't even talk to me about it anymore.
I didn't know.
And the remote view...
Just using their mind.
Right.
Yeah.
I was with my cousin Ian on the street.
Yeah.
Well, I think humans are way weirder than we realize and there's something we are.
The CIA assessment said this case is a classic that meets all necessary conditions for a
legitimate study of the UFO phenomena.
That was just one out of many, you know, we ended up making a, I know what I saw.
Amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, for it's time.
Yeah.
Spielberg.
Like no.
Compelling.
Spielberg.
So not, there's a success with the, obviously coming out with the new, we can't
have this Netflix thing.
And then he's coming out with a new feature movie with Emily Blunt.
I think in the next year or two.
So he told me about Rua.
He told you about the area.
He told me about aeroschool in the 90s.
That's wild.
So yeah, he knows this stuff.
He's like, we have a mutual friend, Jenny Ang that worked with him and Janet.
I was of course just young enough to think that I could get a, hey, I'm doing a documentary
on UFOs.
Spielberg's going to meet with me, right?
And that didn't happen.
But he did actually say to Janet, hey, tell him, you know, he's doing a film on UFOs.
He should look into this landing case and happen in Africa.
Uh-huh.
And of course I didn't.
Uh-huh.
Because I was like, that didn't happen.
There's no way a UFO could land in a school with 100 witnesses in broad daylight.
An old rule.
Nobody.
I just, no, you know, how wrong I was.
You know, disagreement with former partners has one partner.
He was like, we're going to create a hybrid.
I know.
I also know.
Yes, you can have the whole thing.
And then we're talking and she goes, you know, uh, Edgermits will died.
I read it 50 times.
I was like, God, this memo is just so much to include.
I'm serious.
They were like, who's this spook?
In my long career.
Yeah.
I'm always highly dubious of people that say they have all the answers.
Is this many races?
No one.
But when book came out, that there was alien contact.
you know, really famous people show weird.
Key owned the national inquire.
And the number one memo on the FBI's website, the number one, the most search for memo is
called the Hottel memo.
It was probably like, Hey, we have all this compromise on you because the guy, HODL has
There's press conferences.
There's things happening.
We've got colonels.
We've got presidents, governors.
And all the pilots are describing pretty much the same day of thing.
Had the ability to hover, accelerate from a standstill to add a sight in the blink of an
with an international communication, like an exchange of information in international
levels, what we're interested in.
Field in Ohio.
In 1949, sign personnel wrote a top secret report, concluding UFOs were extra terrestrial
these experiences myself.
By the way, in the worldview where they're showing up on these, you know, nuclear bases,
them to look into this or, you know, and I think that that's should be owned and it
shouldn't be a source of shame or.
Yeah.
Well, OK.
He had figured out a way that there were a handful of vantage points on these specific
mountain ranges where he could spy on the base.
So I was interviewing for that, and I was going back and forth during that period of production
and became friends and hung out with them on numerous occasions.
And one day he called me up, and he said, I'll give you the target version, but he said,
James, I got something you need to see.
And I was like, oh, okay.
Well, I'm like 12 hours away, at least.
And he said, well, you know, can you tell me anything more?
He goes, well, I could tell you that when you see it, your jaw is going to hit the floor.
I said, that good.
He goes, that good.
Can't see my plans jump from a car.
Boom!
Went straight out to the alien or the Rachel Nevada.
Go into it, he had a trailer, and he popped in this VHS tape, and there were two guys on
a typical road trip.
I know the type.
I've done it myself.
You know, the video tape in each other, goofing off, and listen to music, they're driving
down the long road, super remote desert highway, they're goofing off and they're lily lily
in, and then all of a sudden they're super serious.
So Logan's like, I'm going to meet, I'm going to meet with him.
I said, do whatever you got to do to get that footage, you know, like that's been sitting
Clark, right?
So as soon as the private eye got the name of that individual, we went after him and he
He tried to buy it.
He tried to get it.
You're getting a very important chord treat that.
And it would make, you signed up for a hard,
Tears just flowing down my face for an hour and a half straight.
Yeah.
qualities and the B-roll and the archive footage
that we got and stitching the whole story together.
You see a page of off planet?
Extrotressual officer.
I forgot about that.
I always remember that he saw photographic evidence.
Yeah.
And that's okay.
from this Israeli military official,
was he intelligence or something?
it's good to the bottom of it.
Or David Grush.
Yeah.
I spoke to her at the-
Julian Barnes has a bias.