In 2013, you offer researcher, a leader, Roger, lear. He was in Los Angeles. I was shooting in Los Angeles. And I at the time, even though I was covering Virginia, and I was covering the landing case in Australia, I had a specific focus that week on the witnesses from Rua's in Bobway.
So I made arrangements to, I mean, it's like the stars aligned somehow and they all disagreed for the first time ever to get back together after 20 years of the case. The landing case in Rua's in Bobway.