In 2013, you offer researcher, a leader, Roger, lear. He was in Los Angeles. I was shooting in Los Angeles. And I at the time, even though I was covering Virginia, and I was covering the landing case in Australia, I had a specific focus that week on the witnesses from Rua's in Bobway.
So I focused on that. And Roger, lear is like, I heard you're doing a document or part you're covering the Virginia case because I was going to just.
So I find out who is he with. Yeah, he was with Ubudur, Ubudur Jada Rodriguez. It was a very prominent UFO researcher that happened to do like at one point, he was the biggest advocate that this happened. There's no question. We have all these witnesses to nothing to have daughter to nothing happened. And it was all just a big, you know, blah, blah. So he did at one point he did a one A. So now this guy won't even meet with me. He's one rear Roger Lear. He's deceased.
Yeah, John Lear would say shit like that.
Which makes me, again, John Lear, I don't know if he was like an agent or a useful idiot,