I'm here with my documentary hero, James Fox.
And I'm a US film maker, James Fox.
Reveal yourself soon so my friends and family will stop thinking I'm crazy
So I'm very grateful to you and thank you for.
And I'm not telling you to believe that it's true.
I was like, well, I'm convinced it's happening.
So it's very exciting. I mean, people ask me like, do you think it's scary? I'm like, no, I don't think it's scary at all.
So, well, yeah, it's, I'm so excited to be here. I don't even know where to start. I mean, there's so many jumping off points. But how did you get into, guess, UFOs to begin with?
And I remember thinking to myself, God, what a bummer, man. I'm going to lose one of my best friends. I'm going to have to cut this guy loose because he's clearly lost his mind. I'm serious. I was, I was, what a bummer.
So Richard, I was just my buddy and man, I'm going to have to cut him loose. He's just all into like this UFOs he's talking about and he's talking that an alien spaceship crashed in Roswell. And I was expecting to go, oh my gosh, thank God. You have cut that. He goes, James, you haven't heard about that.
Yeah, so I went to a few conferences. I met some military folks. And I thought, I think I'm going to make a documentary on UFOs.
I've been, I'm actually quite skeptical.
But I think of it in a sense of, all right, if I'm going to report on a particular incident, let's say it's a landing case, Australia in 1966, West all,
And I'm not trying to manipulate anybody or anything, but I want to put forth the right evidence to like, let the jury know, beyond a reasonable doubt that something like this did occur, right?
So I'm always thinking about my films as a presented to a jury or let's say I got a skeptic in the crowd.
I'm going to cater to that skeptic.
That's what I'm thinking the whole time when I'm making a film like if I'm going to report on a landing case, I better have a pretty compelling story.
And he wouldn't sign off on the film, I'm playing him.
And I was like, well, I'm just in the movie that Senator Reed is in.
I'm like, he's going to take a look at this movie and go take me out, right?
But I wanted to do it in a way where I had that skeptic in the crowd or I'm presenting my case to a jury.
And that's how I think about it when I'm editing films.
I'm not catering to people that already know about the phenomenon.
But I'm thinking about that skeptic.
I'm thinking about the one that's constantly accusing the phenomenon is only having anecdotal evidence.
So yeah, I'm with you.
And because I'm coming to the conclusion that I'm probably not going to know what's really going on.
I'm probably not going to ever get the full picture, right?
I'm sorry, I'm trying to remember the name, but yeah, you said that.
So, and the reason why I'll tell you this is that I did not believe what I'm about to tell you guys.
And I'm sure a lot of your audience have heard of this, heard about this case.
So anyway, I'm really sticking my teeth into that case. I'm getting into his family is wife. I go to the National Archives, the guy wrote the book on it, Jay Ray Sanford,
So that was pretty much the first credible time I'd really heard about it right because I just quickly dismissed it in the past. Well, I'm going.
All right, well, I'm investigating a case, the landing case in Sikoro, Holman, it's just a stone throw away from Sikoro with where the crow flies.
So I was open to it. Then I watched, I'm giving you the truncated version. I watched the documentary UFOs past President Future by M and Ager and Alan Sandler.
So anyway, so then I get in touch with the filmmakers M and Ager interview him.
And then the last minute they pulled it whatever. And so then I'm talking to Alan Sandler about it.
So it's almost like I'm reliving the experience to them, right? So I pull the car over.
He, he thought it was in trouble the way it was flying. But I've heard that description from a lot of people that it kind of flutters like floats down like that. Right. So that he described it. He said it was kind of floating. And he's like, well, it looked like it might have been in trouble, but I'm thinking to myself, that's I've heard that before.
No idea. I'm just saying what he, what he told me and Paul Sharlwood, a few years later was involved in head on collision with him as wife. He was dead.
And so he's gone. Paul Sharlwood did go on a TV show. You can Google it with Bob M. Nigger talking about it. Are you conspiratorial at all about the head on collision there?
I mean, it's a bummer. Definitely a bummer. Yeah. But no. And then Alan didn't tell Bob M. Nigger. And then I, when Alan told me I actually got video footage of it somewhere. I did a, and Bob's dead now, Bob M. Nigger's dead. But I did a standard interview with Bob M. Nigger.
Yeah, you know, and so that I hear this other story that I'm reporting on in the program now. Yeah, to those skeptic out there, I can't prove that it happened. I certainly can't.
But we also need to look more into it. It's a very valid form of. Right. I mean, yeah, it's like just like Varsina. You know, I'm hoping additional witnesses will come forward and they have. Yeah. Well, that, that you have an overwhelming amount of. Yeah. But you have a start off like that. Sure. Yeah. Well, let's, I want to talk about that. I mean, that's an amit. It was in 1996. Is that right?
I said, you're right. I'm sorry. He goes, I was the first person to tell you about that case. You didn't bloody well believe me. I said, I didn't. I'm sorry. I tell you what, I'm going to give you a special thanks credit in the movie.
So I gave him even though he had nothing to do with it. That's all the fact that he planted the seed of the 90s and I remind your audience like I'm making a documentary on UFOs my second one.
I'm ready to tell you everything. Yeah. Yeah. Right now. I do. I look deep in the rise because I communicate on a more spiritual level. Yeah.
Well, it's like plea. You know, and I remember what I arrived in Australia. Some of the researchers and I'm not tuning my own horn.
I've just, I mean, I'm really bad at a lot of things, but some things I'm not bad at. And the researchers when I arrived.
You know, I'm driving. I'm thinking kind of hope this is a set up. Right.
You know, and he's looking at me like a UN agent. Yeah. Are you a secret US government agent? I'm like, no, you can look me up. You know, I'm got a reputation. I've been doing this for 30 years. Like go ahead and Google me. You know, one of the reasons he might have been paranoid is because he mentions to you that the body goes from hospital to hospital. But it ends up probably going the United States.
I'm like, you have no idea what it took to get every single witness on camera. It took years of begging and pleading, you know, and there are still people that we identified people that have the footage.
You know, people that don't even have any physical evidence are terrified. So there are people that have the footage. No question, no question in my mind. I talked to people that have seen it. How do I get that? Well, so if I was there at the time for an extra six weeks, I'm quite confident I would have come home with it.
And be on the lookout. It's being cited. It's in this area. So there were. So Eric Lopes just called his buddy was off duty. They were real. They were both military police, but he called him up. Hey, you want to join me? I got this weird thing I'm doing tonight and jumps in the car and off they go.
Crazy, but this is a side note. And if I'm going on a tangent, stop me.
And during this time, aerial school, yeah, aerial school, 1994. I think it was September, but I got to look into that. In any case, so I'm really focused on that and making that all happen. And people are flying in from all different corners of the world. And I remember my financial guy at the time.
And it's a broad term. So sorry. I mean, really busy. And this is out of the blue. You approached me. And I'm doing like 15 hour shoots every day.
Now it's you I'm exhausted. We don't have it. You know, so he said, we're not going to meet with you. And I was like, it's not that I'm not going to meet with you.
And I don't remember exactly what year that was because I was all the whole thing went down. So then I'm shooting the film.
In in 2021, I'm not like that. Yeah. And record time. You know, we've done a lot of research prior to that. And I'm like, oh my gosh.
I've got those Roger Ler tapes. So I take those tapes out. I had them digitized and I go through them. I'm like, whoa, he got this person. Oh, he did that. Oh, this is amazing.
And so I'm going through them. And I was like, wait, he wrote a book too. So I buy the book, read the book. And I'm like, gosh, the book is basically a transcription of of the tapes.
That's why I'm thinking, oh, boy, this is pretty crazy. The story like really they had telepathic communication. Like there's some smoke started to fill the room. And there was like telepathic communicate. This is according to him in his book, right.
And I'm thinking, my God, there was communication face to face with the aliens by the doctors and everything else in the book is totally accurate because I have the tapes. Then he just goes off an attention about communication with these aliens in the hospital building.
Do you know what I'm saying? So, but those doctors are still alive. So I'm going to go back to shit. Go back. I am going back as I've got two forensic pathologists that are coming there.
They just came forward. So I'm going to go interview them apparently. They have some physical evidence left over from the from the case.
I'm a bacteria. He's.
So I need to go there and there's other people I'm going to go meet with. And I'm going to re-release kind of like what I did with out of the blue.
Well, it's funny because so with the program again, I'm talking about Crash of Treeville.
And, but again, I'm sitting there in the courtroom with the jury, a skeptical jury, and I'm thinking to myself,
And again, I'm not talking about manipulating anybody.
I'm just talking about putting the evidence forward in a way that makes it digestible to mainstream.
I mean, it's maybe a little hard for me to say because I'm already bought in.
But coming out of the mouths of rounds and Schumer and, you know, you know, I'm looking at all this data and these reports.
I'm sure there have a lot of answers and I'm sure they have a lot of things that they can't answer because they possibly don't know.
No, no, well, I'm just saying so.
My name is Leslie Kane and I'm an investigative reporter.
I'm sorry.
I'm watching this live.
Because I'm going to spend the whole night just defending it.
But at this point, like when people ask where you're like, oh, I'm an investor or whatever, which I do.
I'm open to it.
And I'm convinced I put my life on it.
But I'm with them.
and I'm like, what you want to like, you know why?
Oh, I'm doing this talking to you, oh, and oh,
And he says, well, I'm on book tour right now,
And I'm thinking myself, hell yeah.
Oh my gosh, I was like, I'm gonna be broke in a couple of days.
I'm like, oh, I got some, well Wednesday,
I'm all ready to go.
I'm not doing the interview.
I'm working with Congress right now.
I'm trying to get money to develop a rocket.
And so he's like, well, I can't, I'm sorry.
And I'm going on Larry King with five Simon 10 and guess who's in the green room?
Well, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure what you're saying.
I'm not sure what you're saying.
So I'm going on live, Larry King live with Buzz Aldrin and five Simon 10.
You know, but I'm looking.
I'm going to picture of I got a picture of him in the group and the woman goes, no picture
Oh, man, I'm going to like this.
And I was like, I'm going to be respectful, but I sat there knowing what I knew and I watched
I mean, that building, I'm editing out of the blue.
And I said, you know, Tim actually, no, I'm the director and it's going to be, and he's
I'm sorry, I'm not doing that.
There's a balcony, but I'm not on the balcony.
I'm inside still editing.
And I'm okay.
But I'm not going to go around telling it, just get it fixed and we'll put it behind
And I'm kind of a nuts and bolts guy.
But I'm also have had some experiences that have to get me to be open to, you know, who
And I'm not out there trying to prove to anybody that happened.
I'm going to go right.
I'm telling you, I swear and boom, just like there was like instant, we just looked at
But I'm telling you what happened because exactly we executed exactly like the communication
variant that their humans are, you ever, you I'm sure because of the line of work you
So she calls me up and I'm about to go down in a canoe and actually a wooden dory with this
Anyway, I said, Leslie, I'm going to be off the radar.
I'm not going to be reachable all she goes, oh my god, well, we got this event.
I was of course just young enough to think that I could get a, hey, I'm doing a documentary
Now I, I, I know I'm not going to believe it.
I'm not going to not believe it.
I know I'm going to get a lot of pushback criticism for including that encounter in the
I know, but people are going to say, I'm already seeing the Stephen Green streets and
I'm not.
I'm not going to have it straight.
I'm going to depend it.
I, I'm not going to give his name.
And he's like, look, you know, I'm not saying anything at all on that.
And I'm going to tell you the same thing.
I'm telling you right here.
EG&G, which is where Bob Lazar, I'm pretty sure worked.
I'm the only person to have interviewed Cabansag, Burrows, and Penicent.
Well, I'm kidding.
I'm serious.
I'm highly dubious of.
I'm like, really?
Yeah, I'm like, I don't...
Look, I'm starting to cover close encounters of a third kind only recently in my...
Again, that's why I'm including a controversial case.
I'm always highly dubious of people that say they have all the answers.
Now, I'm kind of convinced that it did.
You're talking about Bob M. Niggert and Alan Sandler.
I'm a little skeptical of it.
I'm a wealthy man.
I'm retired.
Like I'm not going to risk stepping on.
look, I'm not telling you the real.
I'm not telling you that.
No, I'm not.
I'm going to be under attack.
I'm laughing about it too.
I'm like radar, photographs, visual, confirmation, ground radar, air to air radar.
I'm sorry.
And I'm members of the down with this admiral.
I'm here to talk about the implications and opening the doors to a possible communication
I'm in there.
We had like the X, P 80, like, I'm just thinking about our most advanced, you know, flight
And I'm like, while I'm walking with the former Senate Majority Leader, who spearheaded
But I'm pretty sure that it's a good stuff to see forever.
And I know the individual has you goes, yeah, I'm going to do some plans with it, but
I'm sorry, I can't remember more details on that, but apparently it's the most dramatic
the screen because I'm struggling to remember the guy.
Yeah, I'm really funny.
Like, you know, I can, like I said, I'm going to know it's a bolts kind of guy.
And I met with Bob, I'm not Bob Jacob.
I'm looking at his face right now.
And I'm going to really that into the whole.
I'm not into it.
I'm going to take it to some balls.
Well, I'm like 12 hours away, at least.
Then one of the kids says I'm getting out, and the guy's telling him not to get out, and
he's like, I'm getting out anyway, and he gets out.
He said, you asked me again, I'm never speaking to you.
So I'm telling like after the Logan Bull interview, you know, shut the cameras off and we're
So Logan's like, I'm going to meet, I'm going to meet with him.
But I'm telling you, I've seen this tape and it's amazing.
I said, he goes, I'm really big.
I'm just trying to hand you what I feel is the best you've done all this reporting for
a beta SP tape and a master, I'm told, and from that master, he gave a copy to Chuck
You know, and I'm like, you know what?
All spare like as far as I'm concerned, Chuck Clark's the one that kept us really compelling
So the unfortunate thing is the guy that gave him that I'm sure there was a master tape.
It's not like I'm giving up or anything.
And I'm going to be in the program.
And I'm raising a ten year old.
And I'm dealing with like nightmare scenarios of the industry.
So at least I'm getting laughed at a little less lately.
And I'm fortunate as someone who's been doing this
I'm not kidding, man.
And I'm very proud of that film.
And so, but I'm still very proud of it.
I would go to jail to say things that I'm
You could Google that, but I'm pretty sure it's extraterrestrial.
I was like, yeah, now I'm not going to talk about that case,
The reason why I'm telling you this is that
and I'm like, you didn't get up and call 911,
So it's like, I'm only going to imagine what the media is.
I mean, I become close with him, but I'm like, you know,
I'm totally, I kept thinking the whole time.
She was like, Julian, he was like, maybe I can cut this if I'm throwing her
Oh, I'm really glad.
He's like, you know, I'm just not really doing it anymore.