He ran the CIA's Psychic Spy program and I think a lot of these remote viewers would see beings you know in various places on you know the dark side of the moon and Ingo Swans case you know elsewhere and Joseph McMonigal saw bases on Earth.

And I remember being on the phone with Joseph McMonigal once and he was saying you know yeah it's crazy you know the ET stuff is definitely really giving me all this interesting evidence and talking about the remote viewing stuff.