In my opinion, Kirk Packer, because a shill for somebody, possibly CIA, DIA, NSA, whoever.
And they, they quote took notes. And then the culmination, of course, was when Kirk Packer addressed Senator Gillibrand's committee in April of 23 and said,
Arrow betrayed us. Kirk Packer betrayed us. You know, we, we stuck our necks out and talked about UFO shutting down our nuclear missiles in the 60s and 70s.