And now a friend.
And I just really appreciate you coming here
which really helped put things in perspective for me.
feel it very much like the roswell people that's always what you hear yeah and he said that he could
crumple it up really light like you could barely feel it in your hands and then when he released it
saw while he was flying his plane with his son he said he could land his airplane on or something
there you go yeah so we're going into phoenix and uh there's these bank of lights six lights
in the shape of a triangle going back right over the airport so i was investigating that case and
i was working with a woman who was like a councilwoman francis emma barwood and um i was interviewing her
and of course i was going after the governor but at the time i wasn't getting any traction with that
and i was interviewing all the witnesses and and uh there was one guy a vietnam vet and he
contacted emma francis barwood one of the few elected officials councilwoman that that was
willing to hey all she said was let's investigate what happened what these people saw like let's just
you know and she was lambasted in the press oh my gosh you can go see they were making fun of her
this guy reached out to her and i know this because i was investigating at the time i was in touch with her
and he said hey um i understand you want to know more about this craft is i i'm a vietnam vet i was
who is 14 years old and lilias who is 16 years old are also very frightened it's the first time they've come
and possibly towards the water and then was captured with a net is that right yeah that was over the
fire department earlier that's why i keep i keep thinking because that one was alive because we have
marco petit aj javard i mean these guys that came before us uh you know marco leal has been been on it for
over 20 years my partner he's amazing um and the persistence of of of of all of them and
on earth does you know you see them in the movie saying that it's like incredible yeah and it's not
anonymous they're not doing this anonymously neither is the neurosurgeon yeah neither is the neurosurgeon
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Like, what are you doing? Like, I was like, you know, if I have a zero,
zero, zero, one percent chance, I'm going for it every time.
And then the, the other one, which was Marco Cherise and Eric Lopes.
And it's interesting actually, because when you watch the movie and a lot of people miss this,
So I, I can, I have this level of focus where I really tried, but these things were happening
really quickly.
Dave, did you get him?
Please tell me you got him.
Did he say anything about that surgery?
Because what is surgery like on an alien being?
Did they all say that?
No, they were very guarded.
But to actually have an alien, alleged alien in captivity and having direct contact, direct communication.
He said, you look into the eyes of this creature.
And because he's had a couple of light life threatening illnesses and scares, he comes out and speaks to you.
What does he say about his interaction with the being?
Now, interestingly, the skin was more white than brown.
Mm-hmm.
The youngest, she was like, maybe 14.
And he goes, well, look, take my tapes.
He gives me his tapes.
He was shot at, and he had a gun.
He, and he shot back.
Everything lines up perfectly.
And it all lines up perfectly.
I was just having a normal, regular day at the barracks, you know.
Then, around nine o'clock in the morning, we received orders, a mission to get some vehicles ready.
We have for the first time ever as well, we have the police officer, which had been trying to get to him for so long.
And, uh, what we did was is we, you know, we started talking to him at the door. Then we went inside and we had, we had some, we had audio. One of us had audio rolling and the guy in the car outside had, you know, our sound guy had a, you know, it was remote transmitted back to a receiver. That was just, you know, the audio.
And then we're talking, getting to know his wife, his son. And then I said, would you mind if we bring a camera in here just to kind of, you know, document the moment a little bit, just ease our way into it. No, that's okay. So then comes the camera. We're all sitting down and talking and his wife, I'll never forget this. And I think I have a cut of it somewhere, but his wife had these, like her eyes were so big and like, kind of just like, and her wife was looking at her husband, like, like just,
wouldn't blink. And I'm looking over at my cameraman, Dave, and I'm like, are you getting, you know, she's just looking at him. Like, I'm thinking, does she, does she have the photograph? Like, does she, you know, I don't know. Is she worried that we're in there probing? And, and at one point we asked him, like, when things got more comfortable and he goes, I'm a, I participate, I'm a witness. He saw the creature under a tarp, maybe the bottom half or something. And then he went into, as a military base, the activity, helicopters coming and landing. He goes,
Like they could show him the movie, show him the compelling case, eyewitness testimony, and then having the flight control.
What do you call the radar control officer? The people that monitor the planes that are coming into Brazil.
Oh, hell yeah.
To figure out who this person was?
It was the Air Force.
In fact, I just asked somebody who probably, I'll remain nameless, but I was talking to somebody that I feel would be in a position to know. And I said, I was like, how many people have the bigger picture?
Mm-hmm.
So, uh, you know, I, I, I, I think, you know, all of us who are doing that.
Oh, you a huge debt.
And I was like, you know what?
I'm just gonna elbow my way in there.
Sit down and interview with Corso when Michael Hessman should have had it.
And as it turns out, he was all flustered and he was late and he had no sound gear.
You know, yes, he would actually.
And so we arranged a time where I would go to his house and this is like 2009, probably.
He says like most of this stuff is a personal experience.
crash test dummies in Roswell. If you've looked in a modicum of research into the Roswell case,
you'd be like, you'd laugh that right out of the room. Right. Yeah. Oh, there's bluish dummies.
together. Yeah. Speak, speak, speaking of people who did not hold back on the truth. Uh, Paula 14
interviewing him in my twenties. I went to his house and in the middle of the interview,
and I was also friends with Buzz Aldrin's sister, Faye Ann Potter, very close. I used to
go to her house. I used to look at all the behind the scenes photographs and the moon
landings and all the stuff. And she would tell, she said that the NASA authorities said that
they were all given some kind of pill that they would die if anything happened. And also
like, wait, wait, they would be given a pill where they gave a pill, like where they have
to kill themselves. If they missed the, if they missed the earth, sorry, if they missed
the moon and they shot off into the space, they were going to, they would have something
that they could die. Yeah. They could, in other words, they would have to have a slow
death. They could kill us. That's what she told me, Faye Ann Potter.
Whoa. She showed me all these pictures and that, and that if, if, if, if, if Neil Armstrong
came out and anything happened to him, Buzz was not supposed to play the hero. He was supposed
to leave his ass on the moon and get back, meet up with, was it Collins that they-
Michael J. Collins. Michael J. Collins. Yeah. And so she, she told me that, she also told
me that he had some UFO encounter on the way to the moon.
Oh. Oh. I know. Yeah. And one of my biggest regrets was, well, I have a lot of them, but.
they're, they're not satellites because they're pre Sputnik in 1957. And they look like mirror,
like light reflecting objects, which are what all the CIA documents describe UFOs as in the late
Who I interviewed.
Oh, really?
And, um, and the defense support program, the DSP is the air force's outermost defense
of like, uh, you know, 80,000 miles up.
It's, it's, it's really insane.
And yeah.
We need to provide people like Lou and Grush immunity so they can give us all those details
that we need.
That, that needs to happen.
That's all I can say about it.
Like giving him information as to how to retrieve the material.
With Hal, or was it Hal?
Like people give these breadcrumbs.
I think about like David Grosh, for instance, you know, he comes forward.
You have.
Have you ever seen anything interesting in a skiff?
Okay.
it was like the whole, the whole office area was all one big skiff.
Right.
I'm telling you, you're doing as much work for, they're, they're learning from you.
Are you ready?
And he really does sincerely care.
And you hear all those stories behind the scenes of people that have had encounters with him and said nothing but nice things to say.
Yeah.
And I'm friends with people that are both sides of the spectrum.
Valuing relationships.
For sure.
Okay.
So I said, I wouldn't.
Alan Sandler and Emma Nager in particular.
And then of course that led me to Colonel William Coleman, who had that dramatic encounter,
Um, uh, but anyway, and, and based on that, and then Alan Sandler was shown the footage by Paul Schartle.
He's convinced that it was a real flying saucer. No question about it.
New, new revelations of alien encounters.
It was good.
We don't have video of, you know, of these.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously it would be great to get the ultimate prize. Right.