Yes. I interviewed him in the nineties with, uh,
And he was so paranoid at the time. Yeah. This is the nineties. Well, he was beat up. He was paranoid. And he was talking about like, it was one of the interviews that I was on Stephen Greer's anyway.
So I talked to Edgar Mish goes, a lot of this stuff was coming out in the nineties.
There was that book written by Amir Exel, Probability One, years ago, back in the nineties,