We're not talking about Roswell, 70-plus years ago.
Or Magenta, you know, 90 years ago.
People took years, and in some cases, decades, to come forward.
bother you know this guy has never come forward we've been trying for 50 years i said just get me in
who is 14 years old and lilias who is 16 years old are also very frightened it's the first time they've come
over 20 years my partner he's amazing um and the persistence of of of of all of them and
Marco Elixirese, 23 years old, worked in B2.
or who knows what, like, and you had to harbor that for the better part of 30 years,
One of them was with the former governor of Arizona, Fife Simonton, when he confessed after 10 years that he had not only, um, believed about the Phoenix Lights case, but that he too was a witness to the event.
Ask him how it feels to be sharing this information after 29 years.
He starts crying because clearly he's held this in for 29 years.
29 years.
Fast forward, probably 10 years, I'm guessing or ish.
He disappeared for 20 years.
Cause he disappeared for 20 years.
He said, um, I was like, well, when I talked to you a couple of years ago on a video zoom call, you can, you confess that you had the photograph or at one point you had the photograph. And now you're saying you don't have the photograph. Like what's, you know, and I really pressed him on it. Um, what did he say?
So it was really funny, actually, because let's back up a little bit, but a couple of years, and I was just talking to Lou Elizondo about this.
Well, I tried to, I tried to cover all of our bases and our team, we filed a FOIA and in 2022, I think it was. Yeah, it was probably 2022. And I'd forgotten about it quite honestly, because it's like years went by. And all of a sudden we get a response from the CIA, which is weird.
This is weighed on me for almost 30 years and my family.
Right. I mean, but they don't do that. They've done some pretty bold moves over the years.
Anyway, it's, it's, it's a complex, it's so complex. And I feel, I feel almost like I know less today than I did 30 plus years ago. Although I know the phenomenon's real. I know there's a coverup.
And they carbon date to between 800 and 1700 years ago.
I, I was at the airport a couple of years ago and I was flying to Arizona for a conference or something.
Yeah, but he primarily did photographic analysis. And he said to me years ago, cause I was like, why are all the pictures blurry? Like, you know, and people criticize that all the time. And he was like, if they're not blurry and they have a defined clear edge, this is 20 plus years ago. He goes, that's when you should be suspicious.
And in the process, I spent five years investigating that case on and off.
There was that book written by Amir Exel, Probability One, years ago, back in the nineties,