And then you have, um, John Podesta, who is Clinton's chief of staff and, you know,
You know, uh, John Greenwald tried to do that.
I was one of kind of a pinch yourself moment when I was in there with John Koskowski, the
John Koskowski was really nice guy.
Like, and they were both very quiet and John goes, he goes, you know, James, very soft,
And then, uh, and then John Koskowski with another guy from OSI came and, and met with