I remember the wife of Lonnie Zamora looking at me and she goes, I don't know what happened when he looked at that creature, but he was never the same.
It's a very remote area of the snowflake, Arizona, up in the mountains where that encounter occurred. So I thought about, like, I think about those things. I think about, you know, Socorro, like officer Lonnie Zamora, like face contact, you know, locked eyes with one of these beans.