Yes, exactly. If you take the, their accounts at face value that, but there, there is some level of contact. You'll mean, look at Rua. I mean, look at 1966 Westall, you know, thank you, Shane Ryan and James Rigney. Um, that case is compelling because, you know, once again, it was a school, 1030 in the morning, broad daylight, broad daylight, 300 plus witnesses standing out there watching this disc.