And he talks about MK ultra, but then the air MK often and how there are implants involved in some of these things and how.
I think that MK ultra might, might do that sometimes, but I think that the vast majority of the, um, experiences people have are, uh, more or less what happened and really are aliens.
He was like a head honcho in the MK ultra stuff.
And he basically has this hypothesis that Charles Manson was this MK ultra patient.
MK ultra guy.