Do you guys have kind of a base case for what's going on?
Which is fascinating.
like it's drones, balloons, things like that.
We explore the possibility that it's of human origin,
We're talking also in the book about exo-psychology,
Maybe they are not curious.
in the intelligence world,
when we're doing our job right,
It's like having a silent partner who never sleeps.
like the deity, whatever it is,
exists everywhere in all things simultaneously.
which are this whole other hyper-complex organism.
And so I think this is the subject
there are things we're discovering
that we had no idea existed.
in conjunction of a multitude of other kinds of cells
that are necessary for their function.
So I want to circle back to your original question
of which hypotheses did we surface
one of the things we explore
is the possibility
only spend a few years
in space
and come back
a few hundred million years later.
You know,
these missionaries,
the universe apart.
And if these particle-antiparticle pairs
Yes, in three dimensions
or four,
that could be impossible.
in two minutes,
and they're actually
to something Dr. Gilbert
was saying about
maybe this is telling us
we've had the information.
And, you know,
there's so many reasons
And yet,
it's always defined
Maybe,
maybe not,
probably not.
Do you guys have
kind of a base case
But I'm kind of
on a mission
to get serious scientists
I got to be careful
what I say here.
than we want anyone
to know they are.
I just start
from first principles
Those little plasmas
reflect RF energy
to the plasma,
I said,
that's been released,
this forward-looking
because they define it.
It looks like
balls everywhere
and things like that.
that's what Havana syndrome
is all about.
entirely possible
that some of these phenomena
are a foreign actor
deliberately messing
with our head.
Yeah,
there's,
I think it's 1976
SALT talks,
and it's,
Kissinger is talking
to Dobrynin,
who's the,
you know,
foreign minister
from the Soviets,
and he's saying,
stop beaming our embassy
with microwaves.
You've been,
you know,
blasting it for,
you know,
12 hours straight,
and Walter Stossel,
who's the American ambassador,
you know,
not only hurt by this,
he ends up dying
of kind of a rare
form of blood cancer.
And so if that's going on
in the 70s,
and then it feels like
we've had all this,
like,
honestly gaslighting
on the part of,
you know,
a lot of people,
a lot of diplomats
who are stationed abroad
who are experiencing
these things that,
you know,
they're consistently
called psychosomatic
or crazy
or whatever,
and then you have
this Der Spiegel
60 minutes,
you know,
report saying,
this is all real,
and the Soviets
have been doing it
for decades.
Well,
but the symptoms
started when they were
like memory problems
and slow processing speed,
and they're covering it up.
And it's devastating
for the people.
how big or small
can the culprit device be?
or an acoustic system.
It was a laser.
I wouldn't rule out
acoustic,
a lot more stuff
because you have
a lot more things
maybe.
the most important
thing,
with a sensor
to sense this stuff.
He said Clapper
called him
they were seeing
phenomena
that they couldn't understand
against very senior U.S. officials,
national security officials
It started in the 1980s
and we haven't done anything.
we weren't going to tell Bush something
or there's maybe we're talking about kind of transmission theory of
consciousness,
something else going on as far as our epistemological circuitry,
the Russians take this stuff way more seriously than we do.
And to the extent that in chess matches,
We know there are some humans that are savants,
I am a scientist and I look at,
evaluate possibilities based on the best tools we have available to come up with.
And I said,
because in science,
we don't acknowledge that exists and we don't have the tools to evaluate.
So I think it is very possible that,
it's like black body radiation in the late 19th century,
where you can say it's fake because of the prevailing theory at the time,
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he said that you will eventually feel a connection.
on that because for,
it's a extremophile.
And we've got a few that are extremophiles.
like in the bottom of the ocean,
near the bottom of the ocean,
we've talked to did it for the government and he's been forever trying to say,
look,
you want clean energy.
here's the way it works.
Oh, yeah.
Well, first of all,
And so if you could train a more kind of heretical thinking AI or something, you know, an AI on the bleeding edge of what's acceptable and maybe decamp it from the instinct that you were talking about, you know, even, I think, before we were filming, Eric, where people are socialized and ideas are fashion statements.
And, you know, it's hard to truly think in a heterodox way.
There you go.
He'd be a load of fun.
Yeah.
It's us.
It's a fascinating subject of fractals and how the veins of a tree or capillaries in
your body or filaments of megastructures in outer space all look the same, the highest
level down to the lowest level.
And it's the path of least resistance.
That's why those structures exist.
Because if you're trying to move atoms of water from A to B in the most efficient path
with the least energy, that is the path.
But then, I don't know, you think of if I were simulating something, I would copy code
chunks and then you'd get Fibonacci sequences and golden ratios and some of these things that
seem like consistent architectures.
See, that is so fascinating.
These mathematical things like Fibonacci and fractals and holography and things like that,
where math isn't a property of the universe.
It doesn't describe the universe.
It is the universe.
Right.
I mean, but now you're getting into Wolfram philosophical kind of stuff.
And that's above my pay grade.
So in addition to exploring the science of UFOs, we wanted to give the readers the feeling of what it's like to go on a journey of scientific discovery.
That's right.
Who is not a nice character.
And the way intelligence officers think of problems.
And also, when you get to the very top, because one of the characters is the FBI director.
The first time you shoot for real because you've shot on the range,
So I wouldn't be so harsh on the defense companies because they basically are doing what they're told to do.
Sure.
Well, I also think they have a lot of really interesting frameworks and things they've discovered that they maybe haven't successfully scaled up all the time.
Um, so I found that fascinating.
Have you ever heard of, um, anything around like being able to fly a craft with, with your mind?
We called him Rocky and it worked.
Wild.
And the, the machine learning interprets your signals.
Mm-hmm.
With an exoskeleton.
I think they are most likely some really shocking fundamental physics that we just can't get our heads around right now.
What do you think comes of that?
Aliens.gov has been registered.
Those flying kind of fireballs that were seen over Washington, D.C. in the 50s that seemed to have some credibility.
There you go.
I love that.
And then you will be able to understand yourself better, deeper understanding.
It's also very interesting to have a dialogue between my body and Eric's body, for example.
So her goal is healing the body, right?
What you find is that's a collection of individuals that start to behave in concert.
Like you have certain ones that are used for digestion, certain ones that move the slime
mold around towards new food or away from threats.
And so you also have gene swapping among individual single cell organisms so that a multicellular
organism might form from multiple, what used to be different species that became one, right?
So if you now fast forward that process over 4 billion years, you end up with us.
But we've retained that original form of multicellular where really we're different organisms.
And that is literally true with our biome, right?
Most of your DNA isn't yours.
It's all your biome, right?
And so one way to think about the body from the standpoint of evolution is we're really
not individuals.
We're a collection of many different organisms, each with their own agenda that have cooperated
for mutual benefit, but whose needs often collide.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And anyone who's felt an urge to do something like eat a donut or maybe do something amorous
There's different nuclei that have different shapes.
Gee, that wouldn't have anything to do with saying my trochanter bursitis is due to me being 74 years old
and not realizing it.