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on his own quantum electrodynamics-based theory around how this force works.

And it seems like there's some sort of maybe quantum vacuum fluctuation thing

Or Heisenberg at Algoland, you know, figuring out quantum leaps and, you know, probability matrices or whatever around, you know, electron shells.

Whether it's a gravitational force or some other quantum mechanical effect.

And it's like the Casimir effect or like some of the, and maybe the Casimir effect makes sense in quantum electrodynamics.

You have to use quantum.

But to be fair it has to be a quantum mechanical effect.

And it involves quantum electrodynamics.

So I asked you if I could bring a friend of mine, David Chester, who is quantum electrodynamic specialist in a theoretical physicist.

He got his undergrad at MIT, PhD from UCLA, both in physics and is kind of specializes in general relativity as well as quantum field theory.

And you were like, I'm developing this quantum electrodynamical theory of how this actually works.

And we have a lot of tools in quantum electrodynamics.

So I did not think we needed QC, QCD, quantum chromodynamics, W particles, Z particles.

And when you say you're explaining the Coulomb charge with quantum electrodynamics, how is it normally explained?

QED says, well, thanks to quantum or Feynman and Schwinger, they are exchanging virtual particles.

So quantum electrodynamics, QED doing Coulomb's law is a second order equation.

So I didn't know how to derive that other than quantum electrodynamics.

Typically, when you refer to perturbation theory in quantum electrodynamics, it's not about time independence.

However, I mean, in quantum mechanics, before getting into quantum field theory, you could…

that you were doing the typical perturbation theory of quantum field theory, but now you're

if you're claiming it's a quantum effect at some point, I think, I believe, I mean,

conservation from space-time translation symmetry. And Noether was actually studying quantum field

the quantum corrections as well. So you could keep track of both of those. It's a little more

Dirac spinner, which is used for electron in quantum electrodynamics, the spinner field,

those equations, you can still have classical equations of motion for a quantum field.

but it's subtle because it's a quantum field theory, but you know, there's a classical limit there. So

we can correspond via email and try to talk more about quantum electrodynamics and we'll see, I, you

know, maybe something more is needed, but I think it's a good effort to at least see where does quantum

can't be described by quantum electrodynamics. Just keep that in mind. Yeah. You know, the reason why we

you an alpha. And that points towards quantum electrodynamics. It points to quantum. Quantum in

Why does the fact that a fine structure constant is showing up point towards a quantum mechanical effect?

It's not too. So it's like a, it's like a primitive in quantum mechanics and that keeps showing up in

you know, the quantum perturbation theory. However, just remember that even for the Coulomb force,

his, his blade on the quantum electric dynamics. So really appreciate you both.

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