people like Michael Herrera who you've done a great piece on and a lot of other accounts
The whole Jake story for me goes back to investigating Michael Herrera.
The reason I covered him and Michael together in a video besides just the fact they were
Of course, in Michael's case, he talked about a human-made craft that he encountered.
And then just for the audience, Michael Herrera is this case in Indonesia with this Marine
When he gave his testimony, when Michael Herrera gave his testimony at the 2023 Steven Greer
I know about this and contact in Michael.
But in Michael and Jonathan's encounters, so Jonathan said he saw an extraterrestrial
Michael has stated, unlike the air report, which lies about this, that he saw a human-made
This was the same thing that Michael described.
Michael described a little further by stating that these men back in 2009 had really advanced
It seems like Michael, the team he was dealing with, is the same team that Jake Barber is
and Michael Shrat went to his archives and Cincinnati and read through the rest of his
Michael Rich, who's Ben Rich.
Yeah, that's the contentious thing we talked about as well with Jake and Michael in that
defense capabilities or payload deliver your human relocation as Michael saw with the