It must have been around 1983, 1984.
This was 1984.
Well, in the meantime, in 1984, Dr. Jack Verona, who worked at Defense Intelligence Agency,
But then he retired in 1984 and everybody thought that the program, that the psychics,
So when I went, so from 1984 to, to 19, to July of 1986 before I went to the program,
No, he retired in 1984 and I came in the unit in 1986.