It was really quite extraordinary.
And then, of course, having just met, we go get in a car and start driving around California looking for UFO stories.
And what Ryan Graves' evidence shows is that it is a national security issue.
It is a flight safety issue.
But let's talk about what those normal excuses were going back to 47 through the 50s, the 60s, the 70s, the 80s.
With the same types of objects swarming their ships.
But one thing for sure, we don't have technology like that.
Not known.
I thought he had a lot of interesting things to say and a whole new perspective.
In particular, Bryce, one of the things that he drew our attention to was quite interesting magnetic anomalies.
But I guess my sense is whether they do or they don't do all of those things, it's time for us, the people, to sort of take this on ourselves.
We've got the technology. We've got the data. We can generate new data.
Not at that altitude.
You consider that they're falling at about 17,500 miles an hour.
He's one of the most reputable immunologists on the planet, extremely well regarded.
He's got multiple patents, huge numbers of papers that have been published in his name.
So you don't think it's human?
I'm sure it's not human.
Now, having said that and talked about how incredibly potent he is as a communicator on this issue, I have to say, we need to bring up the whole concept of the Wilson Davis memo.
Now, I know there are people listening and watching who go, I don't know what that is.
And as you said, Ross, it wants to say that there is a crash retrieval and reverse engineering program not being done right now by the U.S. government, but being done by private enterprise.
Now, why would that happen?
It would happen because the Department of Defense and the government knows that these FOIA, Freedom of Information, requests can pull documents out of the U.S. government.
But there's no way to pull a document out of a private enterprise.
So that may explain a lot of things.
Yeah, I don't think we can overestimate the significance of somebody like Professor Gary Nolan, who's a close personal friend of Eric Davis,
and very much an insider.
The thing about Gary is he's plugged into the intelligence community.
He's been working with the CIA, doing secret investigations for the CIA into military and intelligence personnel, including pilots, who've been exposed to UAPs.
He's very highly valued and very well regarded inside the U.S. intelligence and defense community.
So to have somebody of his reputation saying what he says is quite awe inspiring.
It was March or so.
And I delivered his paper.
And nobody can do anything about it.
So if that was happening, you'd say, well, why wouldn't the, you know, why does the government not disclose what it knows?
And there's been so many since then.
And when the Hill case came out, people were shocked.
You've written multiple award winning movies.
What happened to you and your colleague, Brent Friedman, when you were doing the launch party for your Dark Skies series?
So they wanted to see more of the truth through fiction.
And in fact, that which was exactly what our show was doing.
He said that they had seen our pilot and they obviously had had.
I mean, they had seen the pilot and that they thought it was very good.
This is a TV series.
You know, we're it's drama.
We can handle the truth.
We can handle the truth.