You know, it was funny watching that because it was such a dramatic moment for both of us.
Here's the two of us who met during the pandemic by Zoom, became friends, became colleagues, said, let's put on a show together.
And that's why I think our real little road trip was interesting, because it gave us a chance to get in a car, spend a lot of time driving around and talking about this and talking to some really informed and intelligent researchers and other people on this topic.
So this is what he told us.
I have to assume that they know much more than the public is telling us.
I mean, we know for a fact that these objects are out there and we have a bunch of radar data that shows us how they perform.
And what's really interesting is that it's intensifying. Ryan Graves has said this to us, that there's increasing frequency of these sightings now.
Jeremy's a filmmaker who has some incredible sources inside the US military and intelligence services.
And about a year ago, he was dropped some very interesting videos, a series of videos that show incidents where UAPs allegedly swarmed around US Navy ships,
again operating off the west coast of California. Now, what's very, very interesting is that in the mid-May hearings two months ago in the US Congress,
They suggested that what those objects were, were drones. This is the key exchange with one of those intelligence officials in the US Congress in mid-May.
That's why we thought it was so important to get Jeremy Corbell's response to this very strong impression that the US Navy was trying to get across that there was just nothing to these videos.
So as you're going to see, Jeremy Corbell was what I would describe as defiant in the face of the US Navy's explanation.
And one of the people that went with us is a UFO investigator researcher by the name of Ben Hanson.
Tell us a little bit about Ben, Bryce.
And so it was fantastic that Ben Hanson was able to meet us up in Santa Barbara and go out on that boat with us because he gave us kind of a sense of of all the anomalous behavior that is happening in that area.
Have a listen to what Ben told us.
One of the interesting things I thought going out with Ben taught us is that it isn't just the government that gets to decide what we know and when we get to know it anymore.
A lot of the technology that was only in the US military or the militaries of the rest of the world going back into days gone by has now devolved into the hands of citizens.
So if you take a look at the technical capabilities that Ben Hanson was able to marshal for us to go looking ourselves, it is extraordinary.
But I guess my sense is whether they do or they don't do all of those things, it's time for us, the people, to sort of take this on ourselves.
And one of the things I found quite fascinating is whilst we didn't see any strange anomalous objects that night that we were out there with him, he told us that frequently he does.
And this new technology that has devolved into the hands of private citizens as well as interest groups is allowing us to perceive more accurately every single day whoever is leaping into our world.
And if it is another intelligence, our ability to perceive them is growing all the time and gives us more confidence that we might finally know what's going on.
So when I asked him about the significance of the US government's admissions that have been made about UAPs in the last 12 months,
I think it tells us that, first of all, the government has been lying to us for the last 60 or 70 years.
I know this is speculative, but why do you think the US government's lied?
I think it's dangerously necessary. I think that this is the kind of thing that if we continue to ignore it, if we continue to ignore the potential danger of what it might represent, we are putting ourselves at risk, both to what it might do to us sometime in the future, but then ignoring the fear of the phenomenon.
You know, I wish I knew, and of all the people that I've spoken with on the inside, there's really very little unanimity about what it is, except for that whatever it is appears to be so far advanced from us that it beggars understanding.
He's credible to the nth degree. Nobody doubts he is who he is. Nobody doubts that he's important, and nobody doubts that he's thought so much about this entire issue that confronts us.
So what I find so interesting about the Wilson Davis memo is how it came to us.
Well, if you were the president of the United States, would you want to go on TV and say, yeah, they pull us out of our bedrooms and they do things to us and we can't stop it?
Just give us a bit of an introduction.
But just tell our audience what the context was for what Brent's about to tell us.
And we had an incident that happened to us that I just have never heard anyone else have anything quite like it.
And he approached Brent and myself as the co-creators of the show, said he was from the Office of Naval Intelligence, and they wanted to help us.
It would have been a great experiment to put Brent in one room and me in another room and have us tell the story.
And they wanted to help us come up with some story ideas.
They just were not on board with us telling it as a horror story.
And they said to us that, you know, pretty much what Brent said earlier, you just can't, the president can't come out and say, by the way, here's everything.
And he he laid out his story and what they wanted us to do.
He did it quickly and he showed it to us.
And in fact, Tom's one of the people I'd love us to get.
I know a lot of us have given him a lot of stick.
Tom, I apologize for mocking your US accent in my book in plain sight in my audio edition.
Literally, as we were coming back, we had a chance for the two of us, Ross, to sort of sit out there and enjoy being out on the ocean.
I find it, it's a profound story because ultimately what I think it's leading us to isn't just, is there a technology there?
But everybody's telling us it's not there yet.
We're going to talk to everybody who will talk to us.