this is weaponized i'm george knapp here in las vegas joined by my friend and colleague jeremy
are that sort of disclosure is nigh uh president trump has said he's going to release the files
biggest stash of unreleased files as far as we know is somewhere in the bowels of the dia the defense
u.s government is james lakatsky and it's now been eight years since i first met him and got a download
with some minor uh contributions and um you know the fourth and final book about all sap is now out
that i know of he ran a ufo program and literally is printing books that are authorized to tell exactly
what happened exactly how it is but people have to be readers they have to get in there and they have
that boundary is because it ends up being that the boundary is usually in a really interesting place
it's what he's not allowed to say which is what we need to learn we can read his book but then we
got to learn where is that boundary and why and so um again dr lakatsky has done more for modern day
disclosure than i think anybody has if people read his books then certainly that is true um but there
is a boundary and i respect that but i need to know where that is with him what is it he's not allowed
years not uh recorded and there's a there's a big gap in that and that is about you you know we really
visit skinwalker ranch i wanted to hear the real details what is really going on and that's what dia was
friend jay stratton is you two guys were both at dia at the same time with different sort of specialties
and then and eventually you guys compared notes and and we know what the the rest of the history is is
that sort of correct is how you remember it well it is in a very broad terms uh we had uh he was part of
of wow you know skinwalker ranch that is the wildest place i've ever heard of and little did they know
there your job is to look for threats and assess threats and um and and at some point you thought
well maybe this is a threat that's why it's worth looking into it's not your religion you're not part
engineering is that correct yes i was uh uh in the utility basically i was employed for doing startup
physics and uh reactor engine engineering feasibility is what i read and then for a compact torsation design
tied to oak ridge's advanced torsation design is that correct well that's what they called it yes that's
all correct that's all everything that's out there is correct what i have not put out is details further
system that i was working on very advanced wow and it is back then it was approved for research by dod
you think about it still classified it okay it is buildable now it is buildable now so yeah so you
that work was a theoretical uh physics aspect of a weapon system that is classified later on for okay
i know him which is through his defense intelligence work yeah yeah and that's why i was i felt in you
had three more were needed and actually what you said as a putting a period on all of this is a final
everything they released on kona blue was correct all i'm saying is it was incomplete
pentagon is unclassified but the story's in there i can't emphasize that anymore you're going through it
bit by bit uh one thing that does upset me is when i see things on the internet of people diligently
it's it's just the way it is they're filling in the the blanks with things that aren't true so george i
call ufos is that fair to say that you know you followed the data into the taboo that's correct uh
obscure what was meant to be but is there an untrue statement in there no that's what we wanted
aerospace space company we were sure they had the personnel but the thing is is were they going to go
down the direction that dia wanted and the answer is of course no so everything is above board we did
and i'm gonna see another book but this book may or may not be necessary it's i think it is because
and i'm surprised we were able to release uh legally what we we put in pentagon so that the dia is aware
the pentagon the the dia itself is very aware now because of your work that there are close contact
to non-humans is that correct well from this study we are from this study we are you know not everything
is in here but everything is in here it's just that how you read this is very important and it was
is pursuing they're in the four books well how do you read it just like you're doing you read and
did happen uh what you don't do in the books is sort of draw conclusions um hey these are aliens these
are et's these are not us um do you have conclusions from before or is it something that you purposely
they know more but they don't that this that this is wide open and that's why these books are structured
eyes off the steering wheels but because you had to read the map but there is not the iphones weren't
does anyone know does anyone you know know the answers to the big questions who are they is it
non-human intelligence if so where are they from why they're here what their interest is in us do
it's happening all over the world and everything that you've written in these four books is approved
so the reaction of course from the naysayers is this is drip drip drip um you know it's it's government
is is is it important to have all the details are we are we skewing people's minds in the in a small but
we've just opened up the door by saying hey this is real you need to do your research your due diligence
section of people of the general public all the way to the phd level the thing is is is there's
this and this is something a lot of people say to me is dr lakatsi is the only one that's out there
it is and the u and i feel that way and i think it's happening on on many other topics many others
systems that it can be better handled but jeremy you're correct the history is being lost as we
has not been maybe now it is well george um our last interview with a representative and i want to get
dr lakatsky's opinion on this but our last interview george with rep burleson so maybe this is round three
of fraser verse ali got a direct question um you know rep burleson is kind of like the people's champ
question is you know have you ever been to the pax river facility and is there a craft there how was
them initially that seemed to concern confirmed something really weird was going on there is going
the government is moved in there uh these strange things occur but the first the first statements
plates tied to some of these men in black were from department of homeland security is that part correct
yeah maybe this is a government car but we don't know what agency was looking at it and why were they
explain that again it wasn't outside the gate money materializing the circle is that why brandon bought the ranch
in this new book future visions is you verify that there were unusual electromagnetic signals that seem to be
emanating from the mesa at the ranch which is very consistent with what the tv show is pursuing these
is to say there wasn't anything significant there there was a hint that something might be going on but
let's find out who everybody is now everything went well we didn't find out any problems on anyone
uh we had counterintelligence you know who's in charge of it in this country is the fbi we had
now i i know brandon fugal is doing a great job up there of furthering the research um and with
is in counterintelligence is to get them to break connection and so we we were confident we did that
that hey this is legit well i've admitted this is all legit uh you know there's we didn't keep
after i saw what i saw inside the ranch house which is kind of a repetitive as i now understand it a
experiments attempting communication with whatever it is um how did they work out did you find anything
substantive and in general would you say that communication is possible with whatever it is whatever
certainly the plant growth i mean if a plant is is growing at double the rate it should be that's
and data is very important especially on experiments the problem is having the time and the money to
a tip is exactly as i described it here now the day they started using a tip in 2015-16 to describe their their uh
uh uh uh what would you describe that it's more lunchtime get-togethers that's uh and george is laughing
george is laughing i don't know how else to describe it i mean well it's a it's a big issue and people
a truth is if you can't say you can't say it but we're talking about a material transfer related to uap
answer is i'm just curious if you can say it i don't think that i that i should i think that the
on tv a new edition of one of these shows that is describing what is still a compartmented program
idiot dr lakatsky well he no but the thing is there's there's let's go back baby steps here what
well is the word deception from let us say uh suspected aliens let's let's use that don't don't dismiss
your own conclusions the dad is there there's a lot of stuff in these books and i'm not pitching pitching
well i i'm a person where words go in one ear and out the other well hold on george george is
counterintelligence operation which of course arrow is like the roach motel the old ads for the roach
yet to formally dismiss um explain uh discourage uh interest in the tic tac is tic tac still legit is it
drones that fly from one country to another but uh the the answer to your question is
i just can't believe that but but the thing is is there's classified programs that are your developments
i would say that we this is contrary to what's out there on the internet that we patterned our program
a machine a version of a machine well we're using our current terminology i mean the answer is yes but
beyond that even in the conceptual role so the thing is is what's a machine what's a human what's
when the critch comes to shove but the fact is is that uh as as you well know among any of us here or
off planet origin but i i certainly can't as something that is uh
uh an overarching system that is on earth uh doing all of this now that is not in contradiction to my
and it is unusual too what you designed for the cover it didn't turn out that way correct
would it what would it show and this is what it came up with i haven't changed this at all except for
the fact is i'm i'm i'm constantly asked on on these three books or two of them the last two um
i had to put the star field back in the high resolution this is a technical issue with however
totally contrary to my request totally maybe ai knows something you don't well it is or it's better designer than i am and has more
suggestions on the index which is as always confused me is how am i supposed to form an index on these
its suggestions but i i still have to do it but not a word not a word in the rest of the documents is ai
and then you know that's the first time you're going to be able to do it um the implication is that there are
or not that actually happens i don't know what those files would be but it seems like there is a an
interest among the public certainly to see whatever there is you and i and jeremy know they're only going
administration and possibly under a near term administration the answer to that is i don't
here right no it's the first time but uh the thing is is is i really can't go further you know i i think
had stated that um you know my testimony wouldn't be any more insightful than these books that is a
hope that no one is lying to congress however i know differently in these hearings you do know that
know okay well that's different so you know of somebody that lied but that is not dylan borland correct
to me that we are very clear that that is not george knapp not dylan borland stop me if i'm wrong not
those people in that we get very clear that your accusation that somebody lied that it is not i'm
and i won't answer anymore the fact is i made a statement that there was falsehoods made uh uh
false target on your back that's necessary i think this is part of the research
it's just like enough there's another reason i won't testify at congress that the boat is sailed on
declassify what most certainly is classified materials uh files and and videos and things of
in the process as of this time it's it's effectively as you said jordan's disclosure is there concern if
reveal that there is uh alien technology being encountered and that there are aliens if you were
it it is my problem if i've contributed to it going on and on in the wrong direction and i don't want that
craft try to you know bring some propane torches just to get a feel that that is true that would
people would embrace and i don't think it is anybody's job to hold back the nature of reality
from humankind so i think that if we got that or is that going to reveal the nature of reality
you you know you tell me but what it's going to do is stop hiding the nature of reality and so if we got
look and it's not a personal attack on you this is um something i feel very passionate about which is
that it is nobody's right tell you jeremy it comes across as that and it comes across to the public as that
is that i'm doing something wrong george is correct they've gotten what they've gotten right here it's
a wrong path congress is being led down a wrong path the president is being led down the wrong path
the fact is is there is two forces out there that want people to know and and there are those that
don't want people to know and is that religious element out there absolutely is it effective absolutely
i have a calm demeanor all the time where i actually don't you know the fact is when i'm seeing total
and is we just want to get rid of this attitude in the letters uh so did one side win and another side
so the thing is i didn't say that to them because they would i had to say i'll try i'll try i'm trying
the verifications we got the the lowdown this that true story but the thing is is
in which is that it's beyond just craft the importance are this great oh it's far beyond just craft
and you know and some of the material we acquired show that it's far beyond it is about craft there's
fact is i think you're both great guys and you've helped a lot but you know don't become obsessed with
know and me pushing is just because i don't have much option here um you know i really appreciate
but it all comes down to to physics let's say so it is technology um i i am concerned and i am
saying this right now as an old man because the crew is getting old jeremy they're going to start
involving the same thing and coercion into the the missile silos but the fact is is we failed in getting
is the ultimate um you've been optimistic in in previous conversations you know about where this could lead
well you can't say this and this is you know z but you've just said a all the way up to um y but
interest and because that's we got to find out what's underneath the hood there man he is a mystical
and and it's up to us to take it from there yeah i think the interesting thing for him is
guy he is maybe he's like a previous generation type guy who not previous from my generation but uh
is that ultimately nobody knows the ultimate truth we don't know where these things are from
we don't know who built these craft we don't know the long-range implications of for is there a plan for
ets they're from the planet krypton and here's why they're here and this is what they want to do
government that knows the ultimate answers we what he has shared with us is as far as he can go but he
kona blue as if it is real you know the popular conception is it ended that dhs kicked it out
another osap nothing that broad but at least one element of kona blue is going forward we just don't
know what it is right yeah he can't say right you probably cannot say for natural security reasons
that today it's got to be frustrating for him he's like standing on a mountaintop telling it like it is
like books that are exact which you know they are with him so yeah he is meticulous for sure and then
i've had with him is that there is a glimmer of hope in all of this uh that he's shared with us that
be episode one one five one fifteen one fifteen is there some subtle hidden meaning to that number