corbell jeremy how's it going pretty good man how you doing good you've been on the road a little
we do including this particular episode so you know as as we know all too well the the ufo public
craft and there are some members of congress that say they want the same thing and you know expectations
my personal expectations are pretty low as usual you're the optimist of the group you know the
created by the osap investigation not one page has been made public if you ask dia they say they can't find
them you can file all the foil requests you want they've utterly failed so the only things we know
with some minor uh contributions and um you know the fourth and final book about all sap is now out
least in the osap program and then you know jeremy as as you know he doesn't grant many interview
uh you know people are always demanding actual data these books are packed with evidence and data
effects on humans bizarre phenomena um you know there's never been a story quite like this and
including this latest one it's like a glimpse behind the curtain you and he have had some
lakatsky it's great to have you back on weaponized can't thank you enough for your time i was reviewing
the conversations that we've had on this program and the conversations that you and i have had over the
years not uh recorded and there's a there's a big gap in that and that is about you you know we really
haven't got into you and i asked this question in the context of claims that have been made about
capacity everyone involved in osap atip uaptf are all part of a cult and you've been pushing your
uh about you what your degrees were in how you ended up at dia and what you did for dia before you
are you doing anything and of course by that time the answer became no and so everything was under
undercover in a sense even from within my own group i just wanted to keep things controlled and you've
friend jay stratton is you two guys were both at dia at the same time with different sort of specialties
and then and eventually you guys compared notes and and we know what the the rest of the history is is
that sort of correct is how you remember it well it is in a very broad terms uh we had uh he was part of
of wow you know skinwalker ranch that is the wildest place i've ever heard of and little did they know
you know what was going on a few cubicles away from them but we had to keep that under wraps it's not
there your job is to look for threats and assess threats and um and and at some point you thought
well maybe this is a threat that's why it's worth looking into it's not your religion you're not part
because they spread faster than you could ever keep up but the false information i mean one of the
really caught traction and i said where did this come from but you know there's some humorous things
in there too of course over the years you had no religious type beliefs about ufos aliens
couldn't repeat things but new cases as you know kept popping up all the time jeremy take it away
yeah i just wanted to know kind of a little bit more about your background because you don't talk about
it a lot but if you do some deep research you know you can kind of see that you you worked on like
academically fusion research you know power and then utility in the utility sector kind of nuclear
find out where you were working and what you were doing it looked like from the university of tennessee
nuclear engineering you did a master's thesis called plasma engineering analysis of small tors torsation
torsatron to reactor torsatron reactor and um when you were there also so you focused on the plasma
and uh we can't talk about that at all because and i can tell you because it was a very advanced weapon
of the time in the uh 80s and 90s right so it might be now but but you're i just want to make sure so
you think about it still classified it okay it is buildable now it is buildable now so yeah so you
yeah i think that's interesting you don't talk about that but you've kind of admitted now that part of
levels and not in other words you wouldn't have to put much money uh energy in in order to go to the
ignition state so george i just want to make sure um you know we kind of know who we're talking with so
here's a man who's you know highly trained in in energy and uh turns out weaponry and in theoretical
weaponry he's kind of looking far ahead which leads us to kind of you know maybe a little bit more how
i know him which is through his defense intelligence work yeah yeah and that's why i was i felt in you
the corrections your latest book the last uh book that you intend to write about osap you've told me
had three more were needed and actually what you said as a putting a period on all of this is a final
do this i think both of you are doing it but if you go through all four of the books you can see the
structure that we first put in skinwalkers in the pentagon as a future program you can see that matches up
or omission correct there you know in fact we were very diligent in doing our threat analysis because we
had access to the highest levels of threat intelligence but you had to release it at the secret level so
program it was com it was highly classified but everything you got out here and checked by the
pentagon is unclassified but the story's in there i can't emphasize that anymore you're going through it
you know the deepest move of this book as i'm reading through it it's not like one sensational claim
uh dr lakatsky you're like building an institutional argument kind of that the u.s government ran a serious
call ufos is that fair to say that you know you followed the data into the taboo that's correct uh
out in las vegas where i came i just made the statement and you were there george i made the
it's i always think back it's like a a phd thesis a a dissertation could be like the wild west you just
you go off on something new and innovative but you're moving ahead uh that's what needs to be
isn't going to cut it anymore and possibly even not close landings but you know we're going to have to
to non-humans is that correct well from this study we are from this study we are you know not everything
is in here but everything is in here it's just that how you read this is very important and it was
done that way so we could release it how do you read it there's some big stories in here that no one
is pursuing they're in the four books well how do you read it just like you're doing you read and
you're and but you have to think too and you're doing it you're i have no problem but i'm not sure a
no way are you the four books again i mean it seems like it's the equivalent disclosure given that
did happen uh what you don't do in the books is sort of draw conclusions um hey these are aliens these
are et's these are not us um do you have conclusions from before or is it something that you purposely
want us to arrive at on our own i did george you need to arrive at it on our own because we can't give
you a final answer say say if i told you and i'm correct just say i i told you that you know five percent
of what you need to know and the government doesn't know much more there are people that think they
that way as in you didn't like the term textbook it's been used on reviews of these books but
a guide books let's use that term guide books uh do you remember the old days when you could open
buy at the at the store maps you had to draw you know a paper map and heaven help if you took your
eyes off the steering wheels but because you had to read the map but there is not the iphones weren't
providing you anything uh the early days of the iphones providing you things i even knew people that
you know went down dead ends where there was a road or or they came to a water barrier
does anyone know does anyone you know know the answers to the big questions who are they is it
you know the answers to those and does anyone else in the government intelligence community know i don't
fact you're not wasting your time doing research as you're doing it the both of you and anyone in the
public who decides to if if it it comes to it i mean you can't say i'm going to work on flying saucers
by the way no one has ever raised the question in these books where whatever happened you know this
all the locations uh and you know you you've got some general themes throughout these are craft many
it's happening all over the world and everything that you've written in these four books is approved
in a sense you had to get permission to publish it including some pretty controversial elements of it
so the reaction of course from the naysayers is this is drip drip drip um you know it's it's government
propaganda it's preparing us for a false flag um are you happy now that the four books are done with
with what you've been able to share and are you frustrated at all by things that you were not able to
we've just opened up the door by saying hey this is real you need to do your research your due diligence
if you expect the the government to carry the ball on this i wouldn't uh but uh that uh it's wide open now
you can't say i'm going to research ufos and have a medical degree you can't do that in advance if it
comes to you while you've uh had your medical degree and people are claiming they've seen flying saucers
or seen aliens or whatever at least you're open to that these books i expect young folks if they read
them and that's you've given me another idea george should we do a young person's book
needs to be mentioned in high schools we are looking at and all of that to all of that you often say
informed on the uap issue do you do you feel that way because you push for that a lot that we should have
systems that it can be better handled but jeremy you're correct the history is being lost as we
of fraser verse ali got a direct question um you know rep burleson is kind of like the people's champ
that he went to pa i'm telling you george and i as journalists like he went to pax river we're sure
non-human intelligence craft like the one that you admitted to that we breached the whole of so my
question is you know have you ever been to the pax river facility and is there a craft there how was
it was big enough it you know there's memories fade like that when you're looking at a big building and
sometimes when i look at big buildings they don't seem quite as big when you're there but this could
with the world to a degree you really break down specific effects that were measurable physical effects
of strange signals um you give data data concerning the number of sightings of
shouldn't exist and and others and you it's not just based on the ranch itself you guys for osap you
had this increasingly large concentric circles around the ranch you went out there talked people into
sharing their stories and and inevitably you heard these stories though people were reluctant to share them
wasn't someone who was giving us things that you know we we wanted to hear uh that these cases were
how do you explain that i mean it's almost like there are two different realities but we
because by the way you just didn't walk up to the neighbor of the of skinwalker ranch and and ask
them strange questions they would have thrown you off the uh uh off their property that's the the the
suburban yeah and who who out there you know george who out there dust their shoes off in riz dress
just odd it's sort of the brilliance of osap that you were willing to follow the evidence wherever it
that was a government program you think those reports would have bubbled to the surface or they
aren't well let me tell you what's happening around our house or our property that has to slowly be
pulled out and you were involved in some of those discussions george it has to be slowly pulled out
want them to think we're a nut do you ever do you ever feel like you're working against our own
government in in this way that it's so compartmentalized this uap thing that you found that the license
to gather that information but i think that's one of the uh i think perhaps jeremy you're not looking at
thin air so to be there was like so that everybody's gonna go there like it's las vegas uh can you
from a hundred years ago i mean george george i just i'm just real quick so like you and i were
program out there that predated osap you've never heard a project javelin have you no dr lakatsky no
in this new book future visions is you verify that there were unusual electromagnetic signals that seem to be
days and at the same time in the same section of the book you say that there were counter measures
taken by osap bass uh to see if you could figure out if somebody some human agency was messing with you
can you share with us uh the the nature of the signals that you detected and whether the counter
basically it all started uh we we became concerned about security as you probably know george pretty
be doing this up at the ranch you'd be spied on yes and so we brought in professional organizations that
uh but perhaps those people had departed because you were being spied on though you were trying to study
uh we had counterintelligence you know who's in charge of it in this country is the fbi we had
them come in and do briefings and what's the current status at both locations and so you know we did our
a problem who was trying to spy on you uh who was trying to spy on you
uh well you it's some or all of the above i mean or none of the above but it it that's the only
conclusion you could come to because you know we never traced it back to the source the main thing
and as you noted in in the books being complete what were they really learning other than the fact
that hey this is legit well i've admitted this is all legit uh you know there's we didn't keep
secret documents at the ranch that was all back in vegas uh so uh you there were some amazing uh
that seemed to be coming from the mesa um did you ever figure out what those were and why was it
you know that was by a reliable person now you already know about the levitating objects uh you know
we um we didn't try to explain as you've commented before and certain events that were clearly off the
repetitive in the area i was saying i wasn't the only one to see something in that location you did
experiments attempting communication with whatever it is um how did they work out did you find anything
substantive and in general would you say that communication is possible with whatever it is whatever
whoever they are well uh bob bigelow uh directed column and column handled the you know the legitimacy of
versus being in las vegas the exact same plants and there were you know i guess i haven't really
mentioned it in the book what we would have to assume to be time anomalies there too you know with
analyze it and we were we were doing the best we could we interrupt this program to bring you a special report
uh uh uh what would you describe that it's more lunchtime get-togethers that's uh and george is laughing
what do you describe it as but no a tip was the name was created uh for use in senator reed's letter
and we we've kind of beaten the dead horse about this but um you know you talk about that name coming
up in the reed letter for a material transfer you you are talking about a ufo the transfer of a ufo or
ufo hardware right well it'll be material transfer yes because you can't say more or you don't know
more because when you say it like that it feels like you're you're diminishing what a reality and
a truth is if you can't say you can't say it but we're talking about a material transfer related to uap
hardware yes or no i mean well jeremy what would you think the answer would be well i know what the
answer is i'm just curious if you can say it i don't think that i that i should i think that the
really mean well dhs and answer the question right there yeah you get accused of talking in circles
think it's like you know if you're ever going to say it it's now when you're talking about a material
words well that's an answer and i'm surprised they're being said you know there's i saw something
more about reed's letter but what what do the both of you think i think they were moving a ufo from
lockheed martin um you know to trying to move ufo from lockheed martin to to the offset program am i an
would be the first thing you would do then then a transfer
uh you'd want to see area what are you getting yourself involved with
uh-huh so that's that's so let's not put put too many words to that letter you would you know it
we were looking for a list so you shouldn't put too much into that letter other than it was a broad
the book go baby steps if people want to get a hundred percent answer no one has that to give you
so plan out how you're going to research and verify and and don't uh don't dismiss deception
themselves could be deceiving humanity haven't you and both you and george encountered profession
they wanted to make you think by playing games sometimes they went too far they just plain weren't
doing their job as an instructor so i i don't want to be like that but they wanted to have you come to
i'm saying you're you see it throughout your life i've seen it throughout my life yes in school okay got
you it's a standard technique i'm handing it over to george i'm doing my best um i'd like to return to
sort of the origins of osap and you know you've covered different threads through the four books but
you know the first very first incident case investigated by osap was tic tac maybe the most
years later and uh you know the implication keeps leaking out from we think we know who um oh yeah
that the capabilities of that weapon system would be revolutionary change the world maybe you could
conquer the world with just one of them if we had it but take us back to tic tac what you've learned
then what you've learned since was that ours or was it somebody else's and i ask in the context of arrow
which the last time we talked out of conversation here you basically agreed with us that it looks like a
ours do we have anything like it and if we did why the hell don't we use it what do you think well i think
you're you're you're right asking the right questions i'm not the right one to answer on some of them
others i am but what do you think do you think that that that's such a machine from 25 years ago was
when it was seen not 25 uh 22 22 uh you think we wouldn't see some evidence of of of that machine now
you know come in handy it would come in handy uh i mean we saw some unusual craft that have come out
postulated at the time and that we're certainly seeing now uh you know now we're talking about
and you know crumbs that you've picked up in the forest you know that would be quite the crumb
uh if you know what i mean yeah if there are crumbs left in the forest for you to follow
device as you saw in in uh in some of the specialized studies here which weren't much of a study
one in florida and one out west in addition to these so uh you know are these just mundane objects
you have a couple of sections in this new book about the russian files the thread three files
and where it led can you give us a summary of what you learned from those uh what was learned and the
significant conclusions that you could draw from the documents that came back from from the ussr former
ussr well as you know we trans translated them uh we got a distribution and discussion approved by dia
well i'll ask you this just as a guess theoretical question you know you're our mutual friend and
makes me wonder if you're not stating what who they are where they're from it sounds like it's a non-human
not in the way you think a machine machine we're not let's not go back to the old star treks and the
when the critch comes to shove but the fact is is that uh as as you well know among any of us here or
and it is unusual too what you designed for the cover it didn't turn out that way correct
um can you submit a higher resolution cover and uh in in really in both cases
amazon produces these the entire star field disappears i have no idea why but the the basic what you see
here on the covers you know on the previous one on new insights the the square was suggested and drawn
totally contrary to my request totally maybe ai knows something you don't well it is or it's better designer than i am and has more
more more thoughts into it i mean it put into the the sheeting if you look real close there's there's panels on the uh on the uh the square
it put it in so i utilize ai in in regard to the cover but i will tell you that not one word other than
documents when you don't know what's in the document so i'm having to come up with innovative i've asked ai
you know uh mr bigelow our mutual friend yes gave me the green light to go ahead and say to congress
and he you know that's the first time he's ever said yeah you can go ahead and say it publicly under oath
and then you know that's the first time you're going to be able to do it um the implication is that there are
other materials out there uh you have written in a previous book there was an entire craft of unknown origin
interest among the public certainly to see whatever there is you and i and jeremy know they're only going
you know anything short of that people will be pissed off about it and can you imagine a time
when something will be released publicly that goes beyond you being able to say there's a craft we got
unusual material to being a little aerospace would you predict that that will go further at some point would
you say it's likely to happen now under this administration that says they're going to release
the files uh i can see it happening but you you qualified your questioning uh there with under this
believe so but it will it'll go further you know in the future excuse me it'll go further
a lot of the things we as you can tell i'm deflecting your questions oh and they never happened before
here right no it's the first time but uh the thing is is is i really can't go further you know i i think
that uh you mentioned was it the last time i interviewed with you uh that uh uh congressman burleson
had stated that um you know my testimony wouldn't be any more insightful than these books that is a
because i'm not answering right now you're you're pushing the envelope you've gone beyond the envelope
and i can't answer that way so you could answer to congress even if they had you under oath you
you asked a specific question there about congress i couldn't answer
if other individuals or an individual asked me higher level wow equivalent level in the constitution so you're
allowed to protect information even from congress i've been told that before and i've been you know
hope that no one is lying to congress however i know differently in these hearings you do know that
on who's lied and what did they lie about oh i could never say that why are you are you not allowed to
know there's a lot of this going on these days but let me tell you that there's people who don't know
the difference between a lie and exaggeration and pure fantasy okay but just as you you've said it hold
on you've said it so let's let's eliminate who didn't lie because i think that's important to do to
them because you just want to target on people so dylan borland did he lie oh i would never say that
no you wouldn't say that because it's not true he didn't lie no i wouldn't say that because i don't
know okay well that's different so you know of somebody that lied but that is not dylan borland correct
i i haven't i don't know him at all no no okay but that that's important because you said somebody
lied in congress and you're aware of it so you're isolating somebody that lied and it's important
senior chief wiggins not jeff mucitelli oh here you're going to go through all the people no i'm not
going to do that i'm just going to make sure that our audience understands that when you've said somebody
particularly has lied in congress and you know it but you won't elaborate that we take the the the
bullseye off of people that i know you're not talking about so that would be there's no bullseye
statements and i guess leave that sleeping dog lie oh don't start saying those words man you don't know
what you just did um sleeping dog right i i hear you but it's important to me because i helped bring
who have testified and and those are the people you brought in you're saying i brought in almost
otherwise but it could be that they're just totally deluded okay but i mean i think i know what you're
referencing and i just think it's important to just separate the people so that you don't paint the
process and you're doing it but uh you you can't you can't come to an answer by just getting another
because you don't realize what it takes when people go up there and and they raise their hand and you're
sure i know you can't i can't help you with that and besides that i i wouldn't uh there when people
about them back to the idea of disclosure you know the public has its ideas of what disclosure should
disclosure given that everything you've written has been authorized by the various people and agencies
in the process as of this time it's it's effectively as you said jordan's disclosure is there concern if
you think forward in what disclosure in the forms it could take whatever trump and and uh the his agencies
might reveal in the future and we have no idea what that might be do you can are you concerned about
the stock market crumbling from anything that you suspect could be released but hasn't yet to be
released well i'm i'm i i think you would be getting an incomplete story an incomplete narrative if
pushed a little bit further can you just elaborate on that oh yes sure you would be getting an
incomplete story an incomplete story i mean if if if you're satisfied with the fact that they would
reveal that there is uh alien technology being encountered and that there are aliens if you were
be really jeremy think about if you would be satisfied with just that would you be well you know me and
you know i wouldn't be but you also know that that's a good starting point what you just said as an
well i don't think you can stop it at this point if the words you just said were said by our president
and we could bang hammers on a craft of non-human origin you know an extraterrestrial maybe even
craft try to you know bring some propane torches just to get a feel that that is true that would
be a disclosure you know disclosure day the movie's coming up that would be a disclosure that i think
you you know you tell me but what it's going to do is stop hiding the nature of reality and so if we got
and nuclear reactions exist if everything was revealed to you right now would be so incomplete it would
that there are there are people that might think they do but they don't okay that's all you know
look and it's not a personal attack on you this is um something i feel very passionate about which is
that it is nobody's right tell you jeremy it comes across as that and it comes across to the public as that
complete and it's truthful and i'm telling you that there's falsehoods out there they're being led down
sorry for me by you know uh the way i had to be badgered and i had people reinforcements jump up
talking about the more fundamental in in human nature so you've had me say a lot more i look like
i have a calm demeanor all the time where i actually don't you know the fact is when i'm seeing total
it was the way it was unceremoniously ended you know it was just a couple letters went out
denied didn't exist don't you think i already knew that already this was the third attempt for that
fail what i didn't know and the surprise what i didn't know was something i can't tell you right now
recovered technology can you give us a hint or can i give you a hint no i can't give you a hint
you're going to have to come to that conclude conclusion i don't think i ever be allowed to
the secure line because i was what you want what
let me tell you one big spin up and one real problem we had was the discovery of those phones
that that brought attention on this project like you wouldn't believe and it was from the religious
the room literally so it was it was i'm i'm giving you a story in one sense about the experience that i had at dia
warned you you need to stick keep clear of i didn't even work there and i'm being warned by hooted
you know they're in a uh they've got the management a year and i'm talking top level the directors a year
and you know don't engage with them don't say the slightest word wrong uh it was just unbelievable
and i'm in fact it's a story both of you would love to hear and that's why i'm convinced this will
never go forward again you may find out some pieces and that you would like to find out that the
counterintelligence people have approved but you know as a comprehensive program that was let loose to
let's call it what it was you know we spent money uh we didn't fail on all the documents the 38 we
you know that and it's the important story jeremy that's important to you it's the important story
and you know and some of the material we acquired show that it's far beyond it is about craft there's
but you know it's constantly had reading about me do i monitor the web i monitor it very closely because i
but you know it's hard to around fools and i know what they say about the both of you too let's not
well let's not be i know that but hey you know and i don't say i do i interview with it despite that the
fact is i think you're both great guys and you've helped a lot but you know don't become obsessed with
this don't go to the to the grave thinking that i will learn everything by the time you know i i make my
flight to heaven well i i maybe you will but i just want to learn then i want to learn the next piece you
know and me pushing is just because i don't have much option here um you know i really appreciate
um all that you've done known and unknown for the the movement that people call disclosure but really just about
telling the truth um i got a bunch a bunch of messages uh yesterday and today people kind of you know i've talked to
they wanted to thank you people that that you know have raised their hand or not they they want to
thank you for everything that you've done you know within government and publicly and put yourself out
there to you that to you but it doesn't come across on the internet that way yeah uh it doesn't come
well you know just give up right now but i tell you there are the people out there who are going to
because i had i was working on you don't know about this but another case and another big case
but uh we had our failures too i don't emphasize them but you i think people can kind of read between
the lines and see well you went to brazil and you went there really to get a blood sample of a particular
individual and that and you were promised that from the key individuals both here and in brazil that
that would be obtained and it wasn't obtained you know because i'm quite used to having the rug pulled
is the ultimate um you've been optimistic in in previous conversations you know about where this could lead
the same could be could go in the wrong direction you wrote these books and these books will resonate
or we're asking the wrong questions but what you've done will last the test of time jim you realize that
going but uh uh you've got your hands full to convince people even on your weaponized show i i know
that you've got a a bunch of supporters but i i'm wondering how many are here for entertainment uh well
about what they're talking about but as as i told you in our last interview they speak with this
feel bad um i'm pressing dr james lakatsky uh vau george has become a friend to a degree in that you know
i know where his heart's at and know what he's trying to do and he does get a bad rap you know people say
well you can't say this and this is you know z but you've just said a all the way up to um y but
you can't say z so he you know look i have to press him a little bit but out of out of love and out of
skin for online stuff like maybe you and i have to um look at what he's done look at what he's given you
uh first a legal one you know he made oaths it's his honor on the line he made a promise he would
important lesson from him both in this conversation and in others that you and i have had with him
conversations with him and with others you know we've long suspected nobody really knows the
answers to this you and i've been pretty far up the food chain asking the same kind of questions
kona blue as if it is real you know the popular conception is it ended that dhs kicked it out
but converted to kona blue so he's he's not like hinting at it he straight told you that kona blue moved
program yeah you're right and he said something even further in another conversation with me he said
know what it is right yeah he can't say right you probably cannot say for natural security reasons
in the most just specific direct you know order and it's got to be frustrating that people are out
and we have to transfer this information and there's so much fantasy out there and i've given you
like books that are exact which you know they are with him so yeah he is meticulous for sure and then
you know obviously he's also shared with us before that he's dropping some breadcrumbs here he wants us
attention to it he's he's you know connecting dots sometimes subtly and and and it goes right over
well we're all we're all frustrated when we talk about you know trying to figure out what's going on
especially if you get from a guy like him who says look i don't know anybody that knows the full picture
that's got to be kind of scary too you know yeah and i think bottom line in other conversations that you and