Another witness Joel contacted Stan after hearing local news covering Leslie Keane and the CFI's
attempts to pry free Kexberg documentation. Gordon would meet with Joel at his home in late 2002,
seeing Joel go back and forth on whether or not to proceed with the interview in fear of getting
in trouble for what he saw. Joel claimed on the day of the Kexberg crash he entered the woods to
of colors like electricity. Joel hidden the woods to observe army and air force personnel,
men in civilian clothing and men in suits and hats enter the crash area. Joel claimed to have
Gordon noted at this time Joel's expression changed to a far more somber and uncomfortable tone.
Joel stated soon after striking the object a hatch opened that swung from right to left at the
front of the object, accompanied by a whirling hissing sound. Joel described a scene what looked