very deep um both in terms of uh testimony i mean there were 80 000 people there you know under the
last operation um they didn't see the virgin they they saw a disc uh silver thing between them and the
um i cannot tell yes yes uh it's factual this is weaponized
the that's the core that's the core information um in the entire library he's the deepest thinker
have him on today is because a few of the revolutions that he's created in this field is really about um
important especially in the era um that we're in because he sees the real mystery not just being
your own experience with congress 1968 you were involved in that first hearing um were you hopeful
uh congress uh uh uh in in in in the in the latest hearings well i um i did not participate i was not
asked to participate in the in the latest hearings i was asked to uh to meet with the um the the experts for
impressive place in washington um i obviously we we went over you know a lot of details and so on so my
know and both of you participated in so uh i'm i'm hopeful that that's um you know i had experience with
data warehouse that we built um the idea that that i proposed and that i initiated was a three-stage
whoever has that now um you know it doesn't know what the plan the real plan was so the plan was a data
um and then uh one year of data filtering and improvement and then we'll have two years for ai and
the the the project was cut off um usually as you know i had clearances on other projects at stanford
including the data as no as classified and i respect that but there is a deeper problem here that in um
to be classified um at least throughout the development project uh when you start testing it people will
that um that amart published uh the thing was not a threat it was it was minding its own business
the um when i i met with with the witness spent three days there with with the witness and it took us
because again the the motivation is in order to to get um you know funding for anything the the best
um there is no none of that filter that that we we have here the same thing in france um you know the
technologies that could derive from it but the the the public is still seeing it as um you know more
yeah um jock i got a question for for 50 years you've been looking at this problem
there there there there would be repercussions you would see um um and you know that's one of uh
so that if it shows up somewhere you know um you know how it was how it was leaked or how it was used
and that um you know i don't know about those techniques i've never been trained in in that
but um you know i i spent as you know a lot of years uh compiling it and reducing it to the right
uh i i may still have and uh i'm i'm going to um start publishing some results from from that you
in italy uh about that uh that case which is actually in um you know in in the in the report from
condon report and everybody threw that out because they thought there was nothing there well um this is
social science guys um with um with analysis with uh infrared photographs from aircraft at night and so
on over that forest and um and i have the wood you know i still have it not not here it's a safe place
to brief them on the history of all that and um i'm going to continue that that study we want to get the
But, um, I think a number of those cases are fake or they were, that doesn't mean that there
wasn't an official report that there had been a UFO, but, um, you know, I, I remember that
The fact that the, um, that there is something unique somewhere.
Um, so, um,
Um, I think that in this, again, there is a place for secrecy that I respect.
Um, but this is too big.
And you've really, you've really, um, proven that case by going back into antiquity in a couple of your books and talking about how people are seeing the same things back then that they're seeing now.
Um, how much time do we have?
Fatima is very deep, um, both in terms of, uh, testimony.
Um, they didn't see the Virgin.
Um, and, uh, everything dried up.
We have to take, um, well, let, let me go back a little bit.
I, I knew about that, um, meeting when it, when it happened in, in, in Washington.
I've done, um, studies of crises, um, in, um, in other areas and reactions to crises.
Um, you know, my, I had a little computer company for a while and was asked to, uh, to testify about, you know, what happens during, uh,
So, um, they funded us for three years.
Um, because it, it's scary.
Um, you know, I'm old enough to remember the end of World War II.
Now, um, that's in, in many crises, in industrial crises, which I've lived through as, you know, as an investor, I mean, every, every startup has a series of crises, you know, uh, even Google and Apple.
And, um, but by then he had learned something and he had the trust of the remaining people and he rebuilt Apple into what it is today, which is admittedly the leading, you know, personal computer company in the world.
So, um, the, that's what it takes is leadership.
Um, there, there are, there are, of course, in the cast, there are, uh, leaves of grass that are stuck to it.
And there was, um, so, uh, I'm, uh, those are the cases I continue to work with.
Um, I'd, I'd rather keep it fairly quiet because I don't want any interference with it.
Um, that's, that's also an interesting case because it happened in France in broad daylight.
Um, with, um, uh, a woman who was, uh, driving from, from her home.
And, uh, um, again, uh, uh, Dr. Nolan has, has looked at this also, and we're trying to work with the photograph to enhance it.
Uh, they may report it anonymously or, or maybe not, um, maybe openly to a, a group that they trust to a UFO, local UFO group.
I mean, they, she, she, she wrote to me about this, um, because she had read my books.
Um, they demand answers from the government.
Um, is there a model that you would, you would recommend that could be used to push the topic forward?
Um, yes.
You know, at the same time, we have cases that are documented, but you know, when, when I said, um, even with my, my colleagues at, so when I said, uh, you know, I, I want the title of my talks be 1966.
That we're going to continue working with, you know, those, uh, the same thing in, um, in medicine, you know, people chase ambulances.
Well, um, BAS was painful, uh, and we didn't expect that because a needs experience, uh, uh, uh,
I mean, you know, uh, um, um, well, of course, uh, call, call Callagher and the whole team and, uh, Dr.
So, um, and, and, you know, the, the other people didn't know what I was doing, um, apart from, apart from that and with other cases.
Um, so, uh, that, that structure, again, coming back to the beginning is fine.
No, um, don't, don't believe that.
They didn't know they were going to be released after three weeks, but they were put in the same regime as the, um, inmates of the concentration camp.
Um, he was in a, he said that was a control system, uh, but it could be open or closed depending on the conditions.
Um, there, there are cases that I know, uh, where there were, this happened in government facilities, but nobody's talking about that.
Those are not the entities that are described, um, at Trinity in, in, uh, in, you know, in, uh, in, in my book, um, uh, with Paula Harris.
They are not the entities that were, uh, caught in Brazil, um, that, that are, you know, in that documentary.
Um, they are, they may be the controllers.
Um, they, if, if, if what I'm told is true, the communication with them is very sophisticated and it's complex.
Um, but so, so you're saying you've been made aware that there is a government project.
Um, I cannot tell.
And, you know, when BAS was initiated, the, the task given by the DIA for us was to look at, um, you know, propulsion, um, uh, weight and, and all kinds of things that would be the ordinary things that you'd want to know about a rocket.
Um, I couldn't do it again.
And, uh, I, um, in that particular case, I, I, I broke the, the, the, the philology.
Um, but that was accidental, but I know you can do that.
Um, yeah, you, you've experienced that now, which is different.
You know, Jacques, I just wanted to say, um, you know, thank you so much for coming on.
You know, it's really, it's a phenomenon that is forcing us to look at our culture, look at, um, you know, what we do, um, in wars, what we do in, in business, what, um, you know, everything.
And, um, I think that's, that's what's in question.
There is a, uh, one big question, uh, one hypothesis that's, uh, um, very tangible is that they can be try time travelers or that maybe there is no time.
Now, um, Eric Davis tells me the same thing.
And that basically the universe is not a space time universe that it's, uh, the, the, what we perceive at space and time is, uh, a derived, um, quality from something else, which is much larger.
And I think we have to learn to, um, cohabit.
Um, I hope that we get some satisfaction within our lifetimes, that more of this will come out, but none of it will, unless we keep, uh, you know, trying to understand the phenomenon.