you know in the long and tortured history of the ufo subject investigations into that mystery as well as
the years uh he's like at the forefront of so many key moments in history not just ufo history but history
designed it created it it is the world's largest ufo data warehouse that we know of anyway 260 000 cases
and longer and you know i mean the books that he has written if you have a ufo library at home
we look at the ufo phenomenon i've got a few key points of why i thought it'd be great to have him
listen because he goes yeah he wheezed because his life is so rich he doesn't think about the ufo phenomenon
the the the the data that you know that that they got from us or from the ufo community and and then
good for the ufo topic for the american public that we're doing that again since the 60s
those are tricks that and we know you know i'm not going to use any names but we know people within the ufo
SOP them i was told by a member of the academy of sciences who had worked on ufo's
ufo data but uh at least the the data is clean to this level uh he knows i'm not salting the you know the
wasn't an official report that there had been a UFO, but, um, you know, I, I remember that
It was reported as a UFO.
So they, you know, they, they labeled it as unidentified UFO and they, you know, kept it as classified.
declassified and they find this, this UFO over Alaska, they are, you know, they are going to be very intrigued.
Over the last 50 years, you've been studying this, but more importantly, you say, this is not a modern phenomenon that it crosses all cultures and all time that the UFO phenomenon is persistent global and adaptive.
Can you tell me how cases like Fatima in 1917, how they relate to the modern day UFO thing explained to us what happened in Fatima?
in those prominent UFO cases
It's part of UFO history.
And this funny story about UFO, and I told him it's not a funny story at all.
The, uh, the, uh, UFO, uh, medium, you know, the UFO, they don't trust what they see on TV.
So I said, can, you know, uh, you should report it to the French, uh, UFO project that, uh, French research organization.
Uh, they may report it anonymously or, or maybe not, um, maybe openly to a, a group that they trust to a UFO, local UFO group.
And that comes up with UFO samples, you know, and it's, it's ridiculous.
You're looking at the UFO phenomenon and you're, you're seeing that it's so vast and you've looked at it through a lens that, that most people haven't.
You have created such a huge impact on the way that we look at the UFO phenomenon, which you yourself admit we still don't know much about, but I'm going to ask you the same question to end this episode that I asked you on my ranch that day.