Where the American public can then decide what it is how much value to attach to it that's why for the second hearing because remember we we didn't have hearings for for 50 years and I know for a lot of us who are kind of coming into this new like the UFO thing what we're seeing so much information it's almost gets a frenic like there's just so much information it wasn't always like that.
We held a congressional hearing in DC there was a mock congressional hearing in 2013 called the citizen hearing on disclosure had 40 witnesses over seven days five congressional members one senator they were former members and we tried to replicate what this would look like and then all of a sudden we've got the first hearing in 50 years it kind of shocked me too.
And look, this is this is a process when dealing with whistleblowers that there are others that have come to me and George for many years we've gone through a vetting process.
I felt the content and I said that's at the time was a little bit lacking I think Lou had to testify because that's something that you know for years now it had to happen eventually.
the snippets we got from that and almost as if the hearings happened other way round would I have felt this one had more impact than that I don't know and but I think I was hoping for for more whistleblowers and it reminds me a little bit Jeremy of years ago I used to follow WWF WWE quite religiously and as a young star I paid for a meeting greet and I was hoping to get triple H Chris Jericho Kevin Nash you know the big guy.
We've seen a fragmentation in I think I've got to say I think I've seen a fragmentation in the conversation and the the way forward it seemed a few years ago was all behind maybe one organization and individual I think it was it seemed simple not everyone but most folks were like Louis Lesandos came out you've got to the stars this is pushing things forward.
So I hate it in the UFO world when we're so pessimistic about well that wasn't what I expected I mean I'm guilty of that too with hearing you know like wasn't exactly what I wanted but it was a step forward and I think we need to be patient some of us have been at this longer than others like George has been out this 40 years.
Josh says a few years ago both Jeremy and George hinted that there were at least four UFO programs can Jeremy elaborate on that any further
so with the UFO programs and why I brought that up you know years before is because I became aware of a certain number that were kind of housed other programs but it's a pyramid it's a trickle down there are numerous UFO related programs based upon what it is that we are analyzing and you could come up with any arbitrary number but there are some core programs for sure.
and you know, kind of filmed with him for many years.
You hear them for years.