the snippets we got from that and almost as if the hearings happened other way round would I have felt this one had more impact than that I don't know and but I think I was hoping for for more whistleblowers and it reminds me a little bit Jeremy of years ago I used to follow WWF WWE quite religiously and as a young star I paid for a meeting greet and I was hoping to get triple H Chris Jericho Kevin Nash you know the big guy.
We've seen a fragmentation in I think I've got to say I think I've seen a fragmentation in the conversation and the the way forward it seemed a few years ago was all behind maybe one organization and individual I think it was it seemed simple not everyone but most folks were like Louis Lesandos came out you've got to the stars this is pushing things forward.
Josh says a few years ago both Jeremy and George hinted that there were at least four UFO programs can Jeremy elaborate on that any further