Go look at early 2000s efforts to modernize the U.S. warfighter under the Army.
Well, he mentioned that, I think early 2000s, there was a shift of, uh, at the top that they clamped down hard after that.
And so it was mentioned during that time, the early 2000s, that there was that.
The early 2000s, you're talking about 9-11, because remember when Dave Grush recently went on Megyn Kelly, he said that the early 2000s, the onset of the war on terror, saw select contractors using IRAD.
So I, I understand that true, that there's significant brain drain and the impetus for this occurred in the early 2000s.